Wade Miller

[goonys evil twin]

Miller's had 3 straight quality starts now.

 

He hasn't even had one quality start.

[Sammy Sofa]

Miller's had 3 straight quality starts now.

 

He hasn't even had one quality start.

 

Then I'll plead ignorance to what a "quality start" technically is. I figured he pulled them off the last 3 starts, but if I had to guess, they're not technically quality starts because of the amount of innings pitched each game, right?

 

Well, despite that, I'd still call them quality starts, just in the "rest of the world" definition of the word "quality." Sure, I'd like to see him last longer and get a bit more oomph on his velocity, but he looked pretty damn good.

[Soriano12]

The only non-quality factor regarding his last 2 starts is that

he didn't not pitch long. I'm guessing he is on a short leash.

 

I would love to see him come back in 07, but please, can we also aquire other backup options in case.

[goonys evil twin]

Miller's had 3 straight quality starts now.

 

He hasn't even had one quality start.

 

Then I'll plead ignorance to what a "quality start" technically is. I figured he pulled them off the last 3 starts, but if I had to guess, they're not technically quality starts because of the amount of innings pitched each game, right?

 

Well, despite that, I'd still call them quality starts, just in the "rest of the world" definition of the word "quality." Sure, I'd like to see him last longer and get a bit more oomph on his velocity, but he looked pretty damn good.

 

He's looked pretty darn mediocre to me. He's a junkballer, and he's given up nearly as many walks as strikeouts. His WHIP is 1.58. And he's getting the majority of his outs in the air. He's doing it with mirrors right now. And he's not lasting past the 5th inning. People gave Wood and Prior a ton of crap for not lasting 7.

 

I'm not against a low guarantee with high incentives for innings pitched. But if they offer him big money in those incentives, they better have a manager who is not afraid to pull him if he's pitching like garbage in those innings.

 

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A quality start is 6+ innings with 3 or fewer runs allowed. And that isn't even a good start since it's a 4.50 ERA. It's a short leash, to an extent, but he's also getting to 90 pitches in the 5th inning. That's inefficient.

Edited September 27, 2006 by goony's evil twin

[Sammy Sofa]

The only non-quality factor regarding his last 2 starts is that

he didn't not pitch long. I'm guessing he is on a short leash.

 

I would love to see him come back in 07, but please, can we also aquire other backup options in case.

 

His pitch counts were pretty high in all of those starts, so I don't know so much of it being a leash as it was he pitched himself out of each one.

[mg420]

Miller's had 3 straight quality starts now.

 

He hasn't even had one quality start.

 

Then I'll plead ignorance to what a "quality start" technically is. I figured he pulled them off the last 3 starts, but if I had to guess, they're not technically quality starts because of the amount of innings pitched each game, right?

 

Well, despite that, I'd still call them quality starts, just in the "rest of the world" definition of the word "quality." Sure, I'd like to see him last longer and get a bit more oomph on his velocity, but he looked pretty damn good.

 

He's looked pretty darn mediocre to me. He's a junkballer, and he's given up nearly as many walks as strikeouts. His WHIP is 1.58. And he's getting the majority of his outs in the air. He's doing it with mirrors right now. And he's not lasting past the 5th inning. People gave Wood and Prior a ton of crap for not lasting 7.

 

I'm not against a low guarantee with high incentives for innings pitched. But if they offer him big money in those incentives, they better have a manager who is not afraid to pull him if he's pitching like garbage in those innings.

 

he's not "lasting" more than 5 innings because baker is pulling him. as far being a junk baller and doing it with mirrors goes, it works for guys like arroyo & radke (when he was healthy). his walks are up because he doesnt have the control due to the limited innings he's pitched. if he can get his velocity back up to the low 90's, he can be very effective again imo.

[goonys evil twin]

he's not "lasting" more than 5 innings because baker is pulling him. as far being a junk baller and doing it with mirrors goes, it works for guys like arroyo & radke (when he was healthy). his walks are up because he doesnt have the control due to the limited innings he's pitched. if he can get his velocity back up to the low 90's, he can be very effective again imo.

 

He's getting to around 90 pitches through 5 innings though. He's getting into a lot of jams because he gives up too many baserunners. It's not like he's cruising and getting pulled.

[mg420]

he's not "lasting" more than 5 innings because baker is pulling him. as far being a junk baller and doing it with mirrors goes, it works for guys like arroyo & radke (when he was healthy). his walks are up because he doesnt have the control due to the limited innings he's pitched. if he can get his velocity back up to the low 90's, he can be very effective again imo.

 

He's getting to around 90 pitches through 5 innings though. He's getting into a lot of jams because he gives up too many baserunners. It's not like he's cruising and getting pulled.

thats true. he is throwing alot of pitches because of his control issues. although he does get into jams of his own making due to the walks, they are not hitting him very much either. his control will most likely get better next year being 2 years removed from his surgery. he is still only 30 and would fit well into the mix of hard throwing guys like z & prior (we can inly hope!). maybe a 1 year with a club option for 2008 would be appropriate.

[goonys evil twin]

he's not "lasting" more than 5 innings because baker is pulling him. as far being a junk baller and doing it with mirrors goes, it works for guys like arroyo & radke (when he was healthy). his walks are up because he doesnt have the control due to the limited innings he's pitched. if he can get his velocity back up to the low 90's, he can be very effective again imo.

 

He's getting to around 90 pitches through 5 innings though. He's getting into a lot of jams because he gives up too many baserunners. It's not like he's cruising and getting pulled.

thats true. he is throwing alot of pitches because of his control issues. although he does get into jams of his own making due to the walks, they are not hitting him very much either. his control will most likely get better next year being 2 years removed from his surgery. he is still only 30 and would fit well into the mix of hard throwing guys like z & prior (we can inly hope!). maybe a 1 year with a club option for 2008 would be appropriate.

 

I'm all for bringing him back.

 

I'm not supportive of penciling him in for 32 starts, at least not 32 decent ones.

[Backtobanks]

Miller's had 3 straight quality starts now.

 

He hasn't even had one quality start.

 

Then I'll plead ignorance to what a "quality start" technically is. I figured he pulled them off the last 3 starts, but if I had to guess, they're not technically quality starts because of the amount of innings pitched each game, right?

 

Well, despite that, I'd still call them quality starts, just in the "rest of the world" definition of the word "quality." Sure, I'd like to see him last longer and get a bit more oomph on his velocity, but he looked pretty damn good.

 

He's looked pretty darn mediocre to me. He's a junkballer, and he's given up nearly as many walks as strikeouts. His WHIP is 1.58. And he's getting the majority of his outs in the air. He's doing it with mirrors right now. And he's not lasting past the 5th inning. People gave Wood and Prior a ton of crap for not lasting 7.

 

I'm not against a low guarantee with high incentives for innings pitched. But if they offer him big money in those incentives, they better have a manager who is not afraid to pull him if he's pitching like garbage in those innings.

 

****

A quality start is 6+ innings with 3 or fewer runs allowed. And that isn't even a good start since it's a 4.50 ERA. It's a short leash, to an extent, but he's also getting to 90 pitches in the 5th inning. That's inefficient.

 

You need to realize that September is his spring training. Having not pitched for that long of a time has to affect his location. I agree that there shouldn't be even a hint of "big" money in the contract offer, but I would take a chance on a low-base-with-incentives contract. Actually, the way he is pitching should help the Cubs re-sign him because nobody will be offering much more than what I've suggested.

[goonys evil twin]

You need to realize that September is his spring training. Having not pitched for that long of a time has to affect his location. I agree that there shouldn't be even a hint of "big" money in the contract offer, but I would take a chance on a low-base-with-incentives contract. Actually, the way he is pitching should help the Cubs re-sign him because nobody will be offering much more than what I've suggested.

 

I said I'm in favor of such a contract. I don't think I need to realize anything. I'm just questioning the notion that Miller came back quicker and better than Prior or Wood and is more dependable as well.

[CuseCubFan69]

Could Miller be made a closer?

[goonys evil twin]

Could Miller be made a closer?

 

Not if he's pitching the way he's pitching now. Somebody wanted him for the pen a year ago (and I supported the idea), but I'm not sure if he's going to be all that effective throwing 89 and junk out of the pen.

[CuseCubFan69]

Could Miller be made a closer?

 

Not if he's pitching the way he's pitching now. Somebody wanted him for the pen a year ago (and I supported the idea), but I'm not sure if he's going to be all that effective throwing 89 and junk out of the pen.

 

Maybe. Maybe not. IMO he's reserving his tank a little and if he's a closer he might get it up to 92 or 93 if all he has to do is pitch one inning. I look at him like a Nathan type pitcher.

[Sammy Sofa]

You need to realize that September is his spring training. Having not pitched for that long of a time has to affect his location. I agree that there shouldn't be even a hint of "big" money in the contract offer, but I would take a chance on a low-base-with-incentives contract. Actually, the way he is pitching should help the Cubs re-sign him because nobody will be offering much more than what I've suggested.

 

I said I'm in favor of such a contract. I don't think I need to realize anything. I'm just questioning the notion that Miller came back quicker and better than Prior or Wood and is more dependable as well.

 

I never said he came back quicker or is more dependable. What I DID say is that he's pitched better coming off of a major injury/surgery than Prior or Wood did when they "came back" this year. I'm not trying to insult the other 2; just put Miller's progress into context as that I think he should be signed back for the right kind of deal.