The Soccer Thread

[wolf stansson]

2018 here we come.

That's exactly what this is. John Brooks, Yedlin, Green and to a lesser extent Chandler and Mix are all about 2018. Wow. This is crazy. Then again, blowing up the status quo is why Jurgen was hired.

[wolf stansson]

Seriously, guys. Brad Davis beat out Landon Donovan. Fuckin hell.

[Guest]

2018 here we come.

That's exactly what this is. John Brooks, Yedlin, Green and to a lesser extent Chandler and Mix are all about 2018. Wow. This is crazy. Then again, blowing up the status quo is why Jurgen was hired.

 

All of it except Donovan makes sense if you take a pretty strict view of "talent wins out". I mean, out of all the cuts the only one we weren't cringing at the thought of them seeing the field was Evans, and even that is with a pretty narrow role.

 

I'd be interested to see the reasoning that Donovan stays and Chandler goes though, at face value it seems like some incompatible logic, unless Donovan was truly awful in training.

[wolf stansson]

You're right about talent winning out all except Donovan, but Donovan's exclusion isn't a small gesture. It's not about Green, Chandler or any of the young guys making it. It's about Brad Davis. Brad Davis can swing in a wicked cross with his left as good as just about anyone, but everything else? Experience? Landon. Speed? Landon. Athleticism? Landon. Versatility? Landon. Goals? Landon. PK's? Landon Confidence? Landon. Reputation? Landon.

 

This is shattering. This is a complete paradigm shift in an instant. Micro view - Landon has to be on this team. Macro view - the entitlement, lack of ambition, lack of desire and comfort with the status quo begins and ends with Donovan and if you want to make institutional change happen at the player level, leaving him off does just that.

 

I see both sides, but I still can't get my head around it. Expect his international retirement within a few hours.

 

 

The only reason to bring Brad Davis in over Landon Donovan is to send a message and after all he's done, it's hard to see Landon be the head on that pike. That said, everything that fans have complained about him for his entire career is exactly why he's not on that plane.

 

Happy for Wondo and Davis, two guys who have been excellent in relative obscurity for years.

Edited May 22, 2014 by wolf stansson

[USSoccer]

I'm [expletive] stunned.

 

In a way...I'm almost impressed JK was willing to make a tough call like that.

[wolf stansson]

Jurgen is lucky we're (all USMNT fans) obsessed with the future because this is astounding in any other context other than the blinding hope for the future that Green represents. Good lord. 1 senior club team performance vs the weight of Landon's legacy and everything it represents.

 

The balls on our coach...

[UMFan83]

Stunned, thats nuts

[SpongeWorthy]

Is this a principled stand by Klinsmann or does he really think that leaving Donovan off the roster gives him a better chance to win?

[USSoccer]

If we flame out, the anti-Germerican crowd is going to have a field day.

[USSoccer]

Is this a principled stand by Klinsmann or does he really think that leaving Donovan off the roster gives him a better chance to win?

 

In a way, this has been coming since 2011's Gold Cup. LD started looking off then, took his hiatus and hasn't looked like himself in a while.

 

I can only imagine it's something to do with his current form or knee injury, since if he's taking a stand on principle, Timothy Chandler shouldn't be on the roster either.

[wolf stansson]

Also, DeAndre Yedlin is the first MLS Academy homegrown player to make a World Cup. When we win the cup, it will be because of homegrown MLS academy players.

[USSoccer]

2018 here we come.

That's exactly what this is. John Brooks, Yedlin, Green and to a lesser extent Chandler and Mix are all about 2018. Wow. This is crazy. Then again, blowing up the status quo is why Jurgen was hired.

 

All of it except Donovan makes sense if you take a pretty strict view of "talent wins out". I mean, out of all the cuts the only one we weren't cringing at the thought of them seeing the field was Evans, and even that is with a pretty narrow role.

 

I'd be interested to see the reasoning that Donovan stays and Chandler goes though, at face value it seems like some incompatible logic, unless Donovan was truly awful in training.

 

Davis isn't more talented than current-version Donovan. And Wondo isn't more talented than Boyd, for that matter.

[Guest]

Wow, that's crazy.

[USSoccer]

Also, DeAndre Yedlin is the first MLS Academy homegrown player to make a World Cup. When we win the cup, it will be because of homegrown MLS academy players.

 

I am very, very happy about him being on the 23. I have high hopes for him.

[Guest]

2018 here we come.

That's exactly what this is. John Brooks, Yedlin, Green and to a lesser extent Chandler and Mix are all about 2018. Wow. This is crazy. Then again, blowing up the status quo is why Jurgen was hired.

 

All of it except Donovan makes sense if you take a pretty strict view of "talent wins out". I mean, out of all the cuts the only one we weren't cringing at the thought of them seeing the field was Evans, and even that is with a pretty narrow role.

 

I'd be interested to see the reasoning that Donovan stays and Chandler goes though, at face value it seems like some incompatible logic, unless Donovan was truly awful in training.

 

Davis isn't more talented than current-version Donovan. And Wondo isn't more talented than Boyd, for that matter.

 

I excluded Donovan, I was more talking about Yedlin/Brooks/Chandler beating out Parkhurst/Goodson/Evans.

[USSoccer]

2018 here we come.

That's exactly what this is. John Brooks, Yedlin, Green and to a lesser extent Chandler and Mix are all about 2018. Wow. This is crazy. Then again, blowing up the status quo is why Jurgen was hired.

 

All of it except Donovan makes sense if you take a pretty strict view of "talent wins out". I mean, out of all the cuts the only one we weren't cringing at the thought of them seeing the field was Evans, and even that is with a pretty narrow role.

 

I'd be interested to see the reasoning that Donovan stays and Chandler goes though, at face value it seems like some incompatible logic, unless Donovan was truly awful in training.

 

Davis isn't more talented than current-version Donovan. And Wondo isn't more talented than Boyd, for that matter.

 

I excluded Donovan, I was more talking about Yedlin/Brooks/Chandler beating out Parkhurst/Goodson/Evans.

 

Ah, gotcha. I have no arguments there with those three, although my feelings on Chandler are not exactly glowing

[wolf stansson]

@SoccerInsider Klinsmann's son wrote this then deleted: RT @jonklinsmann HHAHAHAHAHAHAH DONAVAN HAHAHAHAA I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE UNTIL PHONE NOTIFIED ME HAHA

 

Kid didn't just delete the tweet, he deleted his account. Somebody's grounded.

 

Seriously though, try to tell me Jurgen didn't harbor a grudge for Landon's no-show at Bayern.

[wolf stansson]

So....

 

 

----------------------Howard

Chandler------Cameron----Besler--------Beasley

-----------------------Jones/Beck

Zusi---------------------------------------------Fab

------------------------The Man

-----------------------Deuce

-----------------------------Jozy

[USSoccer]

@SoccerInsider Klinsmann's son wrote this then deleted: RT @jonklinsmann HHAHAHAHAHAHAH DONAVAN HAHAHAHAA I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE UNTIL PHONE NOTIFIED ME HAHA

 

Kid didn't just delete the tweet, he deleted his account. Somebody's grounded.

 

Seriously though, try to tell me Jurgen didn't harbor a grudge for Landon's no-show at Bayern.

 

All that does is fuel my theory that LD was one of Brian Strauss's sources.

[wolf stansson]

@SoccerInsider Klinsmann's son wrote this then deleted: RT @jonklinsmann HHAHAHAHAHAHAH DONAVAN HAHAHAHAA I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE UNTIL PHONE NOTIFIED ME HAHA

 

Kid didn't just delete the tweet, he deleted his account. Somebody's grounded.

 

Seriously though, try to tell me Jurgen didn't harbor a grudge for Landon's no-show at Bayern.

 

All that does is fuel my theory that LD was one of Brian Strauss's sources.

Landon, Boca, DeMerit and Benny.

[shnsajax]

2018 here we come.

That's exactly what this is. John Brooks, Yedlin, Green and to a lesser extent Chandler and Mix are all about 2018. Wow. This is crazy. Then again, blowing up the status quo is why Jurgen was hired.

 

How many of these guys could be playing in Rio in 2016. A great Olympic showing would go a long ways towards marketing 2018.

[USSoccer]

2018 here we come.

That's exactly what this is. John Brooks, Yedlin, Green and to a lesser extent Chandler and Mix are all about 2018. Wow. This is crazy. Then again, blowing up the status quo is why Jurgen was hired.

 

How many of these guys could be playing in Rio in 2016. A great Olympic showing would go a long ways towards marketing 2018.

 

I don't buy that this is a move geared toward 2018, and if it is, its a mistake. This isn't baseball where you can build a youth movement. A World Cup cycle is a loooong time. You don't know where guys like Brooks, Green and Yedlin are going to be on the developmental curve. I think Yedlin has a bright future, but Green, for example, has a total of like 7 1st team minutes with his club. We have no idea what he is going to be.

[Guest]

@brad_evans3: You got off easy this time @Cristiano

[USSoccer]

@brad_evans3: You got off easy this time @Cristiano

 

That tweet boosted my opinion of Brad Evans immeasurably.

[USSoccer]

Lost in the LD stuff, is that there's also no actual backup for Jozy on the 23. If he gets hurt, and we have to trot Wondo out in a game we need to win, I'm going to drink myself to death before kickoff of whatever game it ends up being.