How was Prior's stuff today?

[badger1679666666]

This team is obviously done, I'm just looking forward to things for next year...

 

The 9 K's tells me he's getting his stuff back. His BB's tell me he wasn't in control and the 8 hits tells me he wasn't ALWAYS dominant.

 

Is that an accurate reflection of the outing? I'm just hopeful that the 9 k's means he was dominant at times. What was his velocity today?

[srbin84]

Yeah, pretty much. Hit 94-95 when he needed to, sharp breaking ball. Poor command. Hopefully just from the layoff.

[Balsa]

So, quality starts next time or the time after is what we're looking at?

[Sammy Sofa]

It's so very cliche, but he really does look like a guy still in "spring training mode." There were plenty of times where he looked like the old Prior today...he just needs to lock it down. I'm pretty confident after another start or two, he'll be where he needs to be. Unfortunately, that'll be in freakin' July instead of the end of April when this SHOULD be taking place.

[bsucubsfan]

the one thing about 2 of prior's walks... is they both started innings , both on 4 straight. then the very next pitch fielder and anothehr guy grounded into double plays. So they didn't hurt very much. Jacque jones blown judgement of a ball in the first inning, nevin's bum leg (fouled off shin) that let 2 guys score on a blooper with 2 outs. Prior pitched well. had a 1-2 pitch on his 49th pitch in the 4th inning to get out of 4 but then 2 more guys got up. coulda been through 4 with 49 pitches. but ended with 55. Pitched very well today. He hit 94 a couple of times. Speier not sure why he didn't send aramis. he coulda crawled home.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

So, quality starts next time or the time after is what we're looking at?

 

He came darn close to the QS today (was at 3 ER in 5.2 IP when he gave up the bloop single).

[soccer10k]

He definately showed some improvement this week. He did look like the old Prior at times but his stuff was on and off. He made a coupld mistakes and got penalized for them. His line could have looked better but it could have definately looked worse if a couple breaks didn't go his way (mainly like bsucubsfan said the two double plays immediately following the leadoff walks).

 

I also agree with TheMojoPin in his assessment that Prior looks like he is still in Spring Training mode. He showed flashes of brilliance but wasn't always in control. As I said, he did show improvement and hopefully he will continue to show improvement.

[srbin84]

So, quality starts next time or the time after is what we're looking at?

 

He came darn close to the QS today (was at 3 ER in 5.2 IP when he gave up the bloop single).

 

Yeah, he did. That was a cheap hit. Unless it's Ichiro swinging the bat, I wouldn't assume anyone who gets such a hit was actually trying to do that. And as a side not, I always thought a QS was 7 IP/3 ER. I looked it up though, and you're right. They should change that. I don't necessarily think a 4.50 ERA is quality. It's ok, but I think my meaning of quality is different. I don't see much point in tracking average/mediocre starts as a stat. Sorry, that was kind of a rant.

[Sammy Sofa]

That blooper pissed me off so very much...Prior got himself into some serious hurt by loading the bases with no outs and then beautifully strikes out the next 2 batters to get the last batter in the lineup and then it happened. Blech.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

So, quality starts next time or the time after is what we're looking at?

 

He came darn close to the QS today (was at 3 ER in 5.2 IP when he gave up the bloop single).

 

Yeah, he did. That was a cheap hit. Unless it's Ichiro swinging the bat, I wouldn't assume anyone who gets such a hit was actually trying to do that. And as a side not, I always thought a QS was 7 IP/3 ER. I looked it up though, and you're right. They should change that. I don't necessarily think a 4.50 ERA is quality. It's ok, but I think my meaning of quality is different. I don't see much point in tracking average/mediocre starts as a stat. Sorry, that was kind of a rant.

 

I agree. I think the QS stat is too arbitrary - you're giving someone who gave up 3 ER in 6 IP the same amount of success as someone who gives up 2 in, say, 7.

[soccer10k]

So, quality starts next time or the time after is what we're looking at?

 

He came darn close to the QS today (was at 3 ER in 5.2 IP when he gave up the bloop single).

 

Yeah, he did. That was a cheap hit. Unless it's Ichiro swinging the bat, I wouldn't assume anyone who gets such a hit was actually trying to do that. And as a side not, I always thought a QS was 7 IP/3 ER. I looked it up though, and you're right. They should change that. I don't necessarily think a 4.50 ERA is quality. It's ok, but I think my meaning of quality is different. I don't see much point in tracking average/mediocre starts as a stat. Sorry, that was kind of a rant.

 

I agree. I think the QS stat is too arbitrary - you're giving someone who gave up 3 ER in 6 IP the same amount of success as someone who gives up 2 in, say, 7.

 

I don't mind the quality start stat but I do agree with srbin in that I think it should be 7 innings. I don't mind 3 ER but the IP should increase.

[sonofsamiam]

I think the value of a QS is that it shows which pitchers most consistently give their team a chance to win. (Rather than showing dominance or "true" effectiveness.) The skew that, say, an ERA can get from 1 bad outing isn't reflected here. It's not a great stat, but not useless, either.

 

I personally like game scores, but am revealing my geekiness I suppose.

[goonys evil twin]

I don't mind the quality start stat but I do agree with srbin in that I think it should be 7 innings. I don't mind 3 ER but the IP should increase.

 

Tim's idea of the sliding scale is something I'd like to see use. He used to have a chart on this site (maybe he still does) where you could see how many disaster, mediocre, quality and great starts a guy had. A disaster start was when you gave up as many runs (earned or unearned, as innings pitched). 6 ip/ 3 r was still quality, but you got more credit for going 7/1 or 8/2.

 

I would argue that a 6 inning 1 run outing is at least as quality as a 7 inning 3 run outing.

[soccer10k]

I don't mind the quality start stat but I do agree with srbin in that I think it should be 7 innings. I don't mind 3 ER but the IP should increase.

 

Tim's idea of the sliding scale is something I'd like to see use. He used to have a chart on this site (maybe he still does) where you could see how many disaster, mediocre, quality and great starts a guy had. A disaster start was when you gave up as many runs (earned or unearned, as innings pitched). 6 ip/ 3 r was still quality, but you got more credit for going 7/1 or 8/2.

 

I would argue that a 6 inning 1 run outing is at least as quality as a 7 inning 3 run outing.

 

That sounds like an interesting idea. If Tim still has it I would love to see it.

[goonys evil twin]

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Majors/2004PitchingPerformances.php

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Majors/PitcherPerformances.php

[soccer10k]

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Majors/2004PitchingPerformances.php

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Majors/PitcherPerformances.php

 

I like that analysis. If you read this, great work Tim. Is he still doing this?