Philly-Boston Game

[Cubzfan64]

According to this article, David Ortiz is the #34 clutch hitter in Red Sox history.

 

And who is the best clutch hitter of the last 30 years? I'll give you a hint, the Cubs threw him under the bus, and the next season he got a single to lead off a rally in the bottom of the 9th of game seven of the WS.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=betweenthenumbers/ortiz/060405

 

It doesn't say Ortiz is the #34 clutch hitter in Red Sox history - it says he's the #1 clutch hitter but wears #34.

 

As far as the guy in 1st place for "clutch hitting," he was the ONLY player I ever wanted to see up to bat with the game on the line. I always felt he deserved alot more credit than what he received - his only downside was his lack of HR power at a typical HR hitting position, but I for one was thrilled to have his consistency, ability to work a pitcher until he got the pitch he wanted and doubles power.

[Chocolate Milk]

I don't get your argument. "Here are some numbers showing that he's been better in the clutch. Then I will say that you probably just think he's better in the clutch because of the way memories/ESPN work"

 

I guess you just didn't look at the numbers. His "clutch" stats aren't routinely better than his regular stats. Sometimes they are a little better, sometimes a little worse, and in the case of this year, his close and late are much worse. He's the same hitter virtually all the time. And that's a very good hitter. So, when you give a very good hitter lots of opportunities to have a bit clutch hits, which is what a great team with great team OBP will give a guy, you will have numerous instances where he'll come through. You'll also have a lot of times when he'll fail, just like every ballplayer has lots of times when they fail.

 

ESPN showed a stat consisting of the most "walk-off" hits since 2003 this morning. Guess who the other leaders are? Pujols and Miggy. Wierd. Good hitters knock in runs when there is no where to put them. This is shocking.

 

But, as Abuck pointed out, Alex Gonzalez was on that list, no?

 

You're point is valid though, as he was the only poor hitter in the group.

 

No, he wasn't. Also, abuck didn't point anything like that out. He said that he would imagine A Gonz was high but he hadn't yet looked at the stats. What ESPN showed this morning said Papi had 10 "walk off hits" Pujols 9, and Miggy 8.

 

BTW ESPN radio hacks are having a field day with this today. Joe Morgan just said that Ortiz is the best "big game hitter" in baseball today.

[Careless]

I don't get your argument. "Here are some numbers showing that he's been better in the clutch. Then I will say that you probably just think he's better in the clutch because of the way memories/ESPN work"

 

I guess you just didn't look at the numbers. His "clutch" stats aren't routinely better than his regular stats. Sometimes they are a little better, sometimes a little worse, and in the case of this year, his close and late are much worse. He's the same hitter virtually all the time. And that's a very good hitter. So, when you give a very good hitter lots of opportunities to have a bit clutch hits, which is what a great team with great team OBP will give a guy, you will have numerous instances where he'll come through. You'll also have a lot of times when he'll fail, just like every ballplayer has lots of times when they fail.

In what universe is .326 .408 .724 worse than 297 .383 .600?

Runners on and risp you know he'll have a higher OBP/lower slg. And that's not "sometimes", that's "every year you posted"

[goonys evil twin]

I don't get your argument. "Here are some numbers showing that he's been better in the clutch. Then I will say that you probably just think he's better in the clutch because of the way memories/ESPN work"

 

I guess you just didn't look at the numbers. His "clutch" stats aren't routinely better than his regular stats. Sometimes they are a little better, sometimes a little worse, and in the case of this year, his close and late are much worse. He's the same hitter virtually all the time. And that's a very good hitter. So, when you give a very good hitter lots of opportunities to have a bit clutch hits, which is what a great team with great team OBP will give a guy, you will have numerous instances where he'll come through. You'll also have a lot of times when he'll fail, just like every ballplayer has lots of times when they fail.

In what universe is .326 .408 .724 worse than 297 .383 .600?

Runners on and risp you know he'll have a higher OBP/lower slg. And that's not "sometimes", that's "every year you posted"

 

In 2006 his close and late are worse than his overall. In 2003, for instance, he was better with nobody on than with people on. In 2004, that was reveresed. He tends to have much worse numbers with a man on third than in any other situation, kind of weird.

 

The guy is a really good hitter, and he plays for a team where you are going to have a lot of opportunities to do something notable. And he usually hits in front of one of the best hitters in baseball.

[wade]

I don't get your argument. "Here are some numbers showing that he's been better in the clutch. Then I will say that you probably just think he's better in the clutch because of the way memories/ESPN work"

 

I guess you just didn't look at the numbers. His "clutch" stats aren't routinely better than his regular stats. Sometimes they are a little better, sometimes a little worse, and in the case of this year, his close and late are much worse. He's the same hitter virtually all the time. And that's a very good hitter. So, when you give a very good hitter lots of opportunities to have a bit clutch hits, which is what a great team with great team OBP will give a guy, you will have numerous instances where he'll come through. You'll also have a lot of times when he'll fail, just like every ballplayer has lots of times when they fail.

 

ESPN showed a stat consisting of the most "walk-off" hits since 2003 this morning. Guess who the other leaders are? Pujols and Miggy. Wierd. Good hitters knock in runs when there is no where to put them. This is shocking.

 

But, as Abuck pointed out, Alex Gonzalez was on that list, no?

 

You're point is valid though, as he was the only poor hitter in the group.

 

No, he wasn't. Also, abuck didn't point anything like that out. He said that he would imagine A Gonz was high but he hadn't yet looked at the stats. What ESPN showed this morning said Papi had 10 "walk off hits" Pujols 9, and Miggy 8.

 

There were more than three guys on the list I saw, and Gonzalez had 7, I believe.

 

EDIT-

 

The only thing I could find had him listed at 8 career extra inning homers and 5 "walk-off" homers. I still think he was 5th or 6th guy on the list, maybe for the most in the past so many years, or something.

[thedaymen]

 

It doesn't say Ortiz is the #34 clutch hitter in Red Sox history - it says he's the #1 clutch hitter but wears #34.

 

As far as the guy in 1st place for "clutch hitting," he was the ONLY player I ever wanted to see up to bat with the game on the line. I always felt he deserved alot more credit than what he received - his only downside was his lack of HR power at a typical HR hitting position, but I for one was thrilled to have his consistency, ability to work a pitcher until he got the pitch he wanted and doubles power.

 

Yeah, uhm...I hadn't read the article in awhile. I kept it bookmarked just cause of the Grace stuff.