Burnett exits game with injury

[BigbadB]

Saying a pitcher with a bad W-L record and a great ERA, K/BB ratio and WHIP is not as good as a pitcher with the same stats or worse but a better W-L record seems like the same thing as saying had Jordan played for the Clippers, he wouldn't have been as good of a player.

 

No, it's not the same. Jordan did play for the Clippers. Or a team as bad as the Clippers anyway. When he was with the Bulls in his early days, the Bulls only had Jordan and they won nothing. It wasn't until Jordan had a good supporting cast (Grant, Armstrong, Pippen, Paxson, Cartwright) that they won championships.

 

Jordan was a good player before those guys got there. He led the league in scoring many times before those guys got there. But, if he never would have had those guys on his team, he would have had a career that resembled George Gervin. A great player that never won anything because his teammates were never good enough to make the playoffs.

 

Yeah, I know the Bulls had a bad supporting cast in Jordan's early years, but the question is whether people would have regarded him as one of the greatest players ever if he played for a bad team every year.

 

Championships don't determine the value of a player. Are you prepared to say that A-Rod is not a great player because he's never won a championship?

 

Walter Payton was the greatest running back of all time BEFORE the Bears won the Super Bowl.

[srbin84]

 

Championships don't determine the value of a player. Are you prepared to say that A-Rod is not a great player because he's never won a championship?

 

Walter Payton was the greatest running back of all time BEFORE the Bears won the Super Bowl.

 

I agree with you. I think James is the best player in the NBA and A-Rod is the best in MLB. I also think Clemens is the best pitcher in MLB or at least was the last 2 years.