Tejada wants to be traded

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It's not about keeping the prospects, or justifying Rusch's presence, it's about the state you're in after the trade. Tejada fills the hole at SS very very well, but he gives us significantly fewer resources to fill RF(for which we don't have a cheap, capable replacement), and opens up a hole in the rotation(or 'another' if you feel we need a starter now). Plus it eliminates just about all trading chips you have near the Major League level when combined with the Pierre giveaway. Plus he's 30 next year, and he has a large contract, and he's not a great defender, etc, etc.

 

I know I'll catch some crap for saying this, but the upgrade at SS would almost be enough to keep Patterson and put him in RF.

 

No it wouldn't. That's like saying acquiring Cliff Floyd is enough to put Neifi at SS. The production is very similar, just swap the positions that aren't giving terrible production.

[stitchface]

why is his being 30 a problem? He'll be 34 when the contract runs out - times out pretty well if you ask me. Why not get a player in his prime?

 

I think the options are there to fill RF and SP. Seriosuly, who are you going to trade for to play RF anywy? There isn't much there. You made it about Rusch because you are trying to avoid him pitching. Well, if you don't want him pitching, don't sign him. At this point, he will be pitching for the Cubs. So if you can improve the offense, by all means do it. I don't see how we're crippled. Wilkerson or bradley is not exactly a world beater in RF so how much worse are we really going to be. You can go get Washburn or Millwood to solidify the rotation.

[Backtobanks]

"washburn and millwood are both still out there. To not make this deal to avoid using rusch is just piling stupidity upon stupidity (the initial stupidity being signing rusch in the first place). Rusch is going to pitch for the cubs this year so you might as well improve the offense."

 

The problem is that the Cubs won't have the money for Washburn or Millwood if we get Tejada. Also, we wouldn't have much money for a RF either.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The problem is that the Cubs won't have the money for Washburn or Millwood if we get Tejada. Also, we wouldn't have much money for a RF either.

 

They would have enough money for Washburn and Tejada if Patterson is sent somewhere in a deal for prospects.

[nolanwood]

I can't believe we have a 19 page thread on a player who has absolutely no chance of coming to the Cubs. It's one thing if we've got a Dunn rumor or something and there's been talk about a trade on the radio or through writers and whatnot.....but this is out of control.

 

Tejada has ZERO chance of being a Cub next year - Bank on it!

 

Also, you can bank on the fact that Hendry won't be trading Pie for anything.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It's not about keeping the prospects, or justifying Rusch's presence, it's about the state you're in after the trade. Tejada fills the hole at SS very very well, but he gives us significantly fewer resources to fill RF(for which we don't have a cheap, capable replacement), and opens up a hole in the rotation(or 'another' if you feel we need a starter now). Plus it eliminates just about all trading chips you have near the Major League level when combined with the Pierre giveaway. Plus he's 30 next year, and he has a large contract, and he's not a great defender, etc, etc.

 

 

How much $ would the Cubs have left after the deal?

 

And now is where I regret my laziness in updating my contract info. Quick and (definitely) dirty calculation says that they would have about 12 million to fill RF, a SP if Z/Prior/Wood/Maddux/Rusch isn't good enough for you, and the remainder of the bullpen and bench(Everyone except those that have guaranteed contracts)

[stitchface]

It's not about keeping the prospects, or justifying Rusch's presence, it's about the state you're in after the trade. Tejada fills the hole at SS very very well, but he gives us significantly fewer resources to fill RF(for which we don't have a cheap, capable replacement), and opens up a hole in the rotation(or 'another' if you feel we need a starter now). Plus it eliminates just about all trading chips you have near the Major League level when combined with the Pierre giveaway. Plus he's 30 next year, and he has a large contract, and he's not a great defender, etc, etc.

 

 

How much $ would the Cubs have left after the deal?

 

And now is where I regret my laziness in updating my contract info. Quick and (definitely) dirty calculation says that they would have about 12 million to fill RF, a SP if Z/Prior/Wood/Maddux/Rusch isn't good enough for you, and the remainder of the bullpen and bench(Everyone except those that have guaranteed contracts)

 

Sounds good to me. Washburn for $8 leaves you $4 million! :D I don't think the cubs payroll is a dead set maximum though.

 

Suggestion: If you aren't interested in the thread, don't read it. Why does it bother you that other people want to discuss the topic? Also, what on earth makes you think you can't predict prospects success? If that were the case, why not trade everyone since they all have the same odds of being successful?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I can't believe we have a 19 page thread on a player who has absolutely no chance of coming to the Cubs. It's one thing if we've got a Dunn rumor or something and there's been talk about a trade on the radio or through writers and whatnot.....but this is out of control.

 

Tejada has ZERO chance of being a Cub next year - Bank on it!

 

Also, you can bank on the fact that Hendry won't be trading Pie for anything.

 

I think the 40 page Bobby Howry thread was out of control. There have been hundreds (guess) of pages on Dunn with no basis for fact. How is this any different?

[stitchface]

I can't believe we have a 19 page thread on a player who has absolutely no chance of coming to the Cubs. It's one thing if we've got a Dunn rumor or something and there's been talk about a trade on the radio or through writers and whatnot.....but this is out of control.

 

Tejada has ZERO chance of being a Cub next year - Bank on it!

 

Also, you can bank on the fact that Hendry won't be trading Pie for anything.

 

I think the 40 page Bobby Howry thread was out of control. There have been hundreds (guess) of pages on Dunn with no basis for fact. How is this any different?

 

In any case, none of it has any bearing on what actually happens, so what difference does it make? I apologize if that's not what you are getting at nolan, but I'm getting a little tired of hearing people say "Don't propose Dunn trades, it will never happen." So what? Who cares? This is an interesting philosophical discussion so whether it could happen or not is pretty irrelevant.

[nolanwood]

I can't believe we have a 19 page thread on a player who has absolutely no chance of coming to the Cubs. It's one thing if we've got a Dunn rumor or something and there's been talk about a trade on the radio or through writers and whatnot.....but this is out of control.

 

Tejada has ZERO chance of being a Cub next year - Bank on it!

 

Also, you can bank on the fact that Hendry won't be trading Pie for anything.

 

I think the 40 page Bobby Howry thread was out of control. There have been hundreds (guess) of pages on Dunn with no basis for fact. How is this any different?

 

The Dunn thread over the summer at least had some radio talk and speculation behind it....AND, Hendry HAD contacted the Reds - that's the difference. Hendry has not made any contacts about Tejada, NOR has there been any speculation.

 

As for Howry, he's a cub now - which is the obvious difference.....

[CardsFanInChiTown]

It's not about keeping the prospects, or justifying Rusch's presence, it's about the state you're in after the trade. Tejada fills the hole at SS very very well, but he gives us significantly fewer resources to fill RF(for which we don't have a cheap, capable replacement), and opens up a hole in the rotation(or 'another' if you feel we need a starter now). Plus it eliminates just about all trading chips you have near the Major League level when combined with the Pierre giveaway. Plus he's 30 next year, and he has a large contract, and he's not a great defender, etc, etc.

 

 

How much $ would the Cubs have left after the deal?

 

And now is where I regret my laziness in updating my contract info. Quick and (definitely) dirty calculation says that they would have about 12 million to fill RF, a SP if Z/Prior/Wood/Maddux/Rusch isn't good enough for you, and the remainder of the bullpen and bench(Everyone except those that have guaranteed contracts)

 

If that's how much $ the Cubs would have left then no doubt I'd do the deal.

[nolanwood]

I can't believe we have a 19 page thread on a player who has absolutely no chance of coming to the Cubs. It's one thing if we've got a Dunn rumor or something and there's been talk about a trade on the radio or through writers and whatnot.....but this is out of control.

 

Tejada has ZERO chance of being a Cub next year - Bank on it!

 

Also, you can bank on the fact that Hendry won't be trading Pie for anything.

 

I think the 40 page Bobby Howry thread was out of control. There have been hundreds (guess) of pages on Dunn with no basis for fact. How is this any different?

 

In any case, none of it has any bearing on what actually happens, so what difference does it make? I apologize if that's not what you are getting at nolan, but I'm getting a little tired of hearing people say "Don't propose Dunn trades, it will never happen." So what? Who cares? This is an interesting philosophical discussion so whether it could happen or not is pretty irrelevant.

 

I just think these threads are an excuse for members to argue with each other for absolutely no reason cause he won't be a cub. If you want to argue, argue about REAL POTENTIAL MOVES, OR MOVES WEVE ALREADY MADE.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I can't believe we have a 19 page thread on a player who has absolutely no chance of coming to the Cubs. It's one thing if we've got a Dunn rumor or something and there's been talk about a trade on the radio or through writers and whatnot.....but this is out of control.

 

Tejada has ZERO chance of being a Cub next year - Bank on it!

 

Also, you can bank on the fact that Hendry won't be trading Pie for anything.

 

I think the 40 page Bobby Howry thread was out of control. There have been hundreds (guess) of pages on Dunn with no basis for fact. How is this any different?

 

The Dunn thread over the summer at least had some radio talk and speculation behind it....AND, Hendry HAD contacted the Reds - that's the difference. Hendry has not made any contacts about Tejada, NOR has there been any speculation.

 

As for Howry, he's a cub now - which is the obvious difference.....

 

Actually, a few have reported that XM stated the Cubs have contacted the O's about Miggy. I believe that qualifies as contacts and speculation.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I can't believe we have a 19 page thread on a player who has absolutely no chance of coming to the Cubs. It's one thing if we've got a Dunn rumor or something and there's been talk about a trade on the radio or through writers and whatnot.....but this is out of control.

 

Tejada has ZERO chance of being a Cub next year - Bank on it!

 

Also, you can bank on the fact that Hendry won't be trading Pie for anything.

 

I think the 40 page Bobby Howry thread was out of control. There have been hundreds (guess) of pages on Dunn with no basis for fact. How is this any different?

 

In any case, none of it has any bearing on what actually happens, so what difference does it make? I apologize if that's not what you are getting at nolan, but I'm getting a little tired of hearing people say "Don't propose Dunn trades, it will never happen." So what? Who cares? This is an interesting philosophical discussion so whether it could happen or not is pretty irrelevant.

 

I just think these threads are an excuse for members to argue with each other for absolutely no reason cause he won't be a cub. If you want to argue, argue about REAL POTENTIAL MOVES, OR MOVES WEVE ALREADY MADE.

 

We're just guys talkin' baseball - it's the good life.

[Backtobanks]

I think anyone who thinks the Cubs have a shot at Manny, Abreu, Dunn, or Tejada is delusional. Having said that, it is fun to speculate.

[imb]

I can't believe we have a 19 page thread on a player who has absolutely no chance of coming to the Cubs. It's one thing if we've got a Dunn rumor or something and there's been talk about a trade on the radio or through writers and whatnot.....but this is out of control.

 

Tejada has ZERO chance of being a Cub next year - Bank on it!

 

Also, you can bank on the fact that Hendry won't be trading Pie for anything.

 

I think the 40 page Bobby Howry thread was out of control. There have been hundreds (guess) of pages on Dunn with no basis for fact. How is this any different?

 

In any case, none of it has any bearing on what actually happens, so what difference does it make? I apologize if that's not what you are getting at nolan, but I'm getting a little tired of hearing people say "Don't propose Dunn trades, it will never happen." So what? Who cares? This is an interesting philosophical discussion so whether it could happen or not is pretty irrelevant.

 

I just think these threads are an excuse for members to argue with each other for absolutely no reason cause he won't be a cub. If you want to argue, argue about REAL POTENTIAL MOVES, OR MOVES WEVE ALREADY MADE.

 

yeah dudes, be sure and ask this guy before you think about posting anything.

[stitchface]

I can't believe we have a 19 page thread on a player who has absolutely no chance of coming to the Cubs. It's one thing if we've got a Dunn rumor or something and there's been talk about a trade on the radio or through writers and whatnot.....but this is out of control.

 

Tejada has ZERO chance of being a Cub next year - Bank on it!

 

Also, you can bank on the fact that Hendry won't be trading Pie for anything.

 

I think the 40 page Bobby Howry thread was out of control. There have been hundreds (guess) of pages on Dunn with no basis for fact. How is this any different?

 

In any case, none of it has any bearing on what actually happens, so what difference does it make? I apologize if that's not what you are getting at nolan, but I'm getting a little tired of hearing people say "Don't propose Dunn trades, it will never happen." So what? Who cares? This is an interesting philosophical discussion so whether it could happen or not is pretty irrelevant.

 

I just think these threads are an excuse for members to argue with each other for absolutely no reason cause he won't be a cub. If you want to argue, argue about REAL POTENTIAL MOVES, OR MOVES WEVE ALREADY MADE.

 

Why? Most of the Cubs REAL moves are pretty uninspiring. I'll never climb mount everest but I still like to read about people who do.

[nolanwood]

I can't believe we have a 19 page thread on a player who has absolutely no chance of coming to the Cubs. It's one thing if we've got a Dunn rumor or something and there's been talk about a trade on the radio or through writers and whatnot.....but this is out of control.

 

Tejada has ZERO chance of being a Cub next year - Bank on it!

 

Also, you can bank on the fact that Hendry won't be trading Pie for anything.

 

I think the 40 page Bobby Howry thread was out of control. There have been hundreds (guess) of pages on Dunn with no basis for fact. How is this any different?

 

The Dunn thread over the summer at least had some radio talk and speculation behind it....AND, Hendry HAD contacted the Reds - that's the difference. Hendry has not made any contacts about Tejada, NOR has there been any speculation.

 

As for Howry, he's a cub now - which is the obvious difference.....

 

Actually, a few have reported that XM stated the Cubs have contacted the O's about Miggy. I believe that qualifies as contacts and speculation.

 

I listen to XM175 all day long - every single day. I have heard no mention of the Cubs contacting the O's. It it was something I missed, I stand corrected. However, very few minutes in my day pass without 175 on.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I think anyone who thinks the Cubs have a shot at Manny, Abreu, Dunn, or Tejada is delusional. Having said that, it is fun to speculate.

 

I think they could get Abreu or Tejada. It's just not likely.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I think anyone who thinks the Cubs have a shot at Manny, Abreu, Dunn, or Tejada is delusional. Having said that, it is fun to speculate.

 

Somebody once told me that about Nomar.

[soapy]

I can't believe we have a 19 page thread on a player who has absolutely no chance of coming to the Cubs. It's one thing if we've got a Dunn rumor or something and there's been talk about a trade on the radio or through writers and whatnot.....but this is out of control.

 

Tejada has ZERO chance of being a Cub next year - Bank on it!

 

Also, you can bank on the fact that Hendry won't be trading Pie for anything.

 

I think the 40 page Bobby Howry thread was out of control. There have been hundreds (guess) of pages on Dunn with no basis for fact. How is this any different?

 

In any case, none of it has any bearing on what actually happens, so what difference does it make? I apologize if that's not what you are getting at nolan, but I'm getting a little tired of hearing people say "Don't propose Dunn trades, it will never happen." So what? Who cares? This is an interesting philosophical discussion so whether it could happen or not is pretty irrelevant.

 

I just think these threads are an excuse for members to argue with each other for absolutely no reason cause he won't be a cub. If you want to argue, argue about REAL POTENTIAL MOVES, OR MOVES WEVE ALREADY MADE.

 

What what do you want me to do, work? Now that's just foolish. I really don't see the big deal. In fact, it's one of the things I like about this board (the in depth analysis and arguement about something that will probably never happen). It's interesting for me to read, and sometimes, participate in.

[nolanwood]

And there's no need for smarta$$ retorts either. I read these posts more than I actually post for the following reasons...

 

The majority of what goes on here ....

 

1. Im smarter than you

2. Mine is bigger than yours and you're wrong

3. 90% of what goes on here isnt "FUN" talk....its bickering and arguing

 

 

I love the speculation and all the number crunching freaks and I enjoy reading it.....thats about it.

Edited December 9, 2005 by nolanwood

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I can't believe we have a 19 page thread on a player who has absolutely no chance of coming to the Cubs. It's one thing if we've got a Dunn rumor or something and there's been talk about a trade on the radio or through writers and whatnot.....but this is out of control.

 

Tejada has ZERO chance of being a Cub next year - Bank on it!

 

Also, you can bank on the fact that Hendry won't be trading Pie for anything.

 

I think the 40 page Bobby Howry thread was out of control. There have been hundreds (guess) of pages on Dunn with no basis for fact. How is this any different?

 

In any case, none of it has any bearing on what actually happens, so what difference does it make? I apologize if that's not what you are getting at nolan, but I'm getting a little tired of hearing people say "Don't propose Dunn trades, it will never happen." So what? Who cares? This is an interesting philosophical discussion so whether it could happen or not is pretty irrelevant.

 

I just think these threads are an excuse for members to argue with each other for absolutely no reason cause he won't be a cub. If you want to argue, argue about REAL POTENTIAL MOVES, OR MOVES WEVE ALREADY MADE.

 

What what do you want me to do, work? Now that's just foolish. I really don't see the big deal. In fact, it's one of the things I like about this board (the in depth analysis and arguement about something that will probably never happen). It's interesting for me to read, and sometimes, participate in.

 

I hear ya - I'm a friggin' Cards fan and I come here for interesting baseball discussions. Cards Talk is mind numbing - Soriano is a top teir stud over there.

[Backtobanks]

I think anyone who thinks the Cubs have a shot at Manny, Abreu, Dunn, or Tejada is delusional. Having said that, it is fun to speculate.

 

I think they could get Abreu or Tejada. It's just not likely.

 

If they want to give up Zambrano or Prior, which isn't going to happen. For what we are offering (Walker, Williams, Patterson, Welly, Novoa, etc.), I repeat anyone who thinks the Cubs have a shot at Manny, Abreu, Dunn, or Tejada is delusional.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I hear ya - I'm a friggin' Cards fan and I come here for interesting baseball discussions. Cards Talk is mind numbing - Soriano is a top teir stud over there.

 

Ack, we shall never speak of that again.