Tejada wants to be traded

[goonys evil twin]

To me, it's this simple: If they decide to trade Tejada, give them whatever they want.

 

You only raise prospects in the hope that they, one day, might be half the player of a Miguel Tejada.

 

This is what I've been talking about the entire thread. Tejada isn't THAT good.

 

What is THAT? He would immediately become one of, if not the, best player on the team. Remember, he routinely gives you production at SS that DLee normally gave at 1B. Tejada changes the makeup of this team. He's extremely good, and worth much young talent in trade.

[badgercub]

To me, it's this simple: If they decide to trade Tejada, give them whatever they want.

 

You only raise prospects in the hope that they, one day, might be half the player of a Miguel Tejada.

 

This is what I've been talking about the entire thread. Tejada isn't THAT good.

 

12th highest VORP in baseball last season? The guy is really good.

 

That said a guy like Aberu would be a better fit for the Cubs considering their hole in RF.

 

Position scarcity doesn't matter in this sense. For the production you are getting in return at his age and contract, it's not worth giving Baltimore a blank check of prospects like many are suggesting.

 

His contract isn't that bad, and he is not that old. With the pitchers (Prior and Z especially) and the fact that Lee and Ramirez's contracts are up soon, you have a window of opportunity to get yourself to a W.S. and win it, that should be the ultimate goal. Considering the Cubs really aren't saddled with any long term horrible contracts and their payroll being what it is, the Cubs should never really have to rebuild.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

To me, it's this simple: If they decide to trade Tejada, give them whatever they want.

 

You only raise prospects in the hope that they, one day, might be half the player of a Miguel Tejada.

 

This is what I've been talking about the entire thread. Tejada isn't THAT good.

 

What is THAT? He would immediately become one of, if not the, best player on the team. Remember, he routinely gives you production at SS that DLee normally gave at 1B. Tejada changes the makeup of this team. He's extremely good, and worth much young talent in trade.

 

Routinely gives Lee's production? Tejada's best year(.360/.534/.894 OBP/SLG/OPS) is only slightly better than Lee's career averages(.363/.501/.864). Tejada is going to give you around .300/.350/.500. That's great for a shortstop, but he's got 4/50 left on his deal, he'll be 30 next season, and we still have several holes on the team. He doesn't produce at a high enough level to send a ridiculous number of prospects in return.

[ThePenguin11]

Lee is a 1B! Tejada is a SS! Lee is 30! Tejada is 29! What in god's green earth are you talking about? Tejada is younger and produces comparable, if not better numbers than most of the first basemen in major league baseball!

 

To say that Tejada is getting old and his production is inferior to an MVP candidate at 1B is either a ringing endorsement for Tejada or it says something negative about DLee...

[goonys evil twin]

Routinely gives Lee's production? Tejada's best year(.360/.534/.894 OBP/SLG/OPS) is only slightly better than Lee's career averages(.363/.501/.864). Tejada is going to give you around .300/.350/.500.

 

Exactly my point. Tejada at SS is going to give you what we used to expect from Lee every year. If that was worth 3/22.5 in a down market when he signed, that that is worth 4/50 from Tejada. Those other holes become much less glaring with SS going from unknown to very good. Tejada becomes that 5th hitter we're looking for and probably not going to find, and still allows you to fill RF with mediocre or better production.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Lee is a 1B! Tejada is a SS! Lee is 30! Tejada is 29! What in god's green earth are you talking about? Tejada is younger and produces comparable, if not better numbers than most of the first basemen in major league baseball!

 

To say that Tejada is getting old and his production is inferior to an MVP candidate at 1B is either a ringing endorsement for Tejada or it says something negative about DLee...

 

The point is that we shouldn't be saying "get this guy, no matter the cost" when he's going to give you an .850 OPS, average at best defense, and is about to leave his prime for 4/50.

[goonys evil twin]

Lee is a 1B! Tejada is a SS! Lee is 30! Tejada is 29! What in god's green earth are you talking about? Tejada is younger and produces comparable, if not better numbers than most of the first basemen in major league baseball!

 

To say that Tejada is getting old and his production is inferior to an MVP candidate at 1B is either a ringing endorsement for Tejada or it says something negative about DLee...

 

The point is that we shouldn't be saying "get this guy, no matter the cost" when he's going to give you an .850 OPS, average at best defense, and is about to leave his prime for 4/50.

 

I won't literally give up the entire farm. And I'd try my best to hold onto my best guys. But I give up a heck of a lot to get Tejada.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Lee is a 1B! Tejada is a SS! Lee is 30! Tejada is 29! What in god's green earth are you talking about? Tejada is younger and produces comparable, if not better numbers than most of the first basemen in major league baseball!

 

To say that Tejada is getting old and his production is inferior to an MVP candidate at 1B is either a ringing endorsement for Tejada or it says something negative about DLee...

 

The point is that we shouldn't be saying "get this guy, no matter the cost" when he's going to give you an .850 OPS, average at best defense, and is about to leave his prime for 4/50.

 

I won't literally give up the entire farm. And I'd try my best to hold onto my best guys. But I give up a heck of a lot to get Tejada.

 

I agree, I'd like to get Tejada too. However, a multitude of people in this thread are saying what I said above, or more specific deals like Pie, Hill, Williams, and Cedeno, maybe more. That sort of thing would cripple us, as I outlined earlier in the thread.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I agree, I'd like to get Tejada too. However, a multitude of people in this thread are saying what I said above, or more specific deals like Pie, Hill, Williams, and Cedeno, maybe more. That sort of thing would cripple us, as I outlined earlier in the thread.

 

If it takes Pie, Hill, Williams, and Cedeno, I will gladly help them pack. I will help them find new places to live, and I may even help them pick out the drapes. Going beyond that may be a bit excessive, but that would depend on who player #5 would be.

[goonys evil twin]

Lee is a 1B! Tejada is a SS! Lee is 30! Tejada is 29! What in god's green earth are you talking about? Tejada is younger and produces comparable, if not better numbers than most of the first basemen in major league baseball!

 

To say that Tejada is getting old and his production is inferior to an MVP candidate at 1B is either a ringing endorsement for Tejada or it says something negative about DLee...

 

The point is that we shouldn't be saying "get this guy, no matter the cost" when he's going to give you an .850 OPS, average at best defense, and is about to leave his prime for 4/50.

 

I won't literally give up the entire farm. And I'd try my best to hold onto my best guys. But I give up a heck of a lot to get Tejada.

 

I agree, I'd like to get Tejada too. However, a multitude of people in this thread are saying what I said above, or more specific deals like Pie, Hill, Williams, and Cedeno, maybe more. That sort of thing would cripple us, as I outlined earlier in the thread.

 

I wouldn't start at that package, but if forced I'd probably do it, maybe minus one guy and do not think it would cripple us. Pierre is here for the long haul and Pie is no corner OF. Cedeno would have no purpose. None of these guys is likely to be as good at his job as Tejada is. The window is closing and all of them have backup in the system. Cedeno could move to 2nd, but EPatt is right behind and just as capable. This makes the Cubs better in the short-term (at least 2 years) and when that 3rd year comes up there would be multiple guys available who could be just as capable of filling in where those prospects would be expected to.

[RynoRules]

Lee is a 1B! Tejada is a SS! Lee is 30! Tejada is 29! What in god's green earth are you talking about? Tejada is younger and produces comparable, if not better numbers than most of the first basemen in major league baseball!

 

To say that Tejada is getting old and his production is inferior to an MVP candidate at 1B is either a ringing endorsement for Tejada or it says something negative about DLee...

 

The point is that we shouldn't be saying "get this guy, no matter the cost" when he's going to give you an .850 OPS, average at best defense, and is about to leave his prime for 4/50.

 

I won't literally give up the entire farm. And I'd try my best to hold onto my best guys. But I give up a heck of a lot to get Tejada.

 

Agreed. Pie-Hill-Cedeno for Tejada and a prospect sounds good to me.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I've said this before but I think the O's would be looking for another impact player not prospects. They are not in salary dump mode.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Lee is a 1B! Tejada is a SS! Lee is 30! Tejada is 29! What in god's green earth are you talking about? Tejada is younger and produces comparable, if not better numbers than most of the first basemen in major league baseball!

 

To say that Tejada is getting old and his production is inferior to an MVP candidate at 1B is either a ringing endorsement for Tejada or it says something negative about DLee...

 

The point is that we shouldn't be saying "get this guy, no matter the cost" when he's going to give you an .850 OPS, average at best defense, and is about to leave his prime for 4/50.

 

I won't literally give up the entire farm. And I'd try my best to hold onto my best guys. But I give up a heck of a lot to get Tejada.

 

I agree, I'd like to get Tejada too. However, a multitude of people in this thread are saying what I said above, or more specific deals like Pie, Hill, Williams, and Cedeno, maybe more. That sort of thing would cripple us, as I outlined earlier in the thread.

 

I wouldn't start at that package, but if forced I'd probably do it, maybe minus one guy and do not think it would cripple us. Pierre is here for the long haul and Pie is no corner OF. Cedeno would have no purpose. None of these guys is likely to be as good at his job as Tejada is. The window is closing and all of them have backup in the system. Cedeno could move to 2nd, but EPatt is right behind and just as capable. This makes the Cubs better in the short-term (at least 2 years) and when that 3rd year comes up there would be multiple guys available who could be just as capable of filling in where those prospects would be expected to.

 

My deal with that trade is that it now forces us to use Rusch as a starter, and now Wellemeyer and Guzman are our only conceivable options to back up the rotation. Plus, we have 12 million fewer to use on the sparse FA market, and aside from Guzman and Ryu, we have nothing to trade that's close to Major League ready. I don't think that makes us so much better that it's worth hampering us so much.

[StMarksCubs]

Are the radio stations buzzing about this in Chicago yet? Or is it just us banging our heads against the wall? LOL

[stitchface]

I've said this before but I think the O's would be looking for another impact player not prospects. They are not in salary dump mode.

 

They should be though because they will never overtake NY or Boston with their core.

 

None of those guys you list CPatt, Hill, Williams, Pie, Cedeno is likely to ever be a difference maker. Tejada is for 2006. Normally I agree with you but I think you are crazy if you pass up a chance to win in 2006 to keep those four.

[stitchface]

Lee is a 1B! Tejada is a SS! Lee is 30! Tejada is 29! What in god's green earth are you talking about? Tejada is younger and produces comparable, if not better numbers than most of the first basemen in major league baseball!

 

To say that Tejada is getting old and his production is inferior to an MVP candidate at 1B is either a ringing endorsement for Tejada or it says something negative about DLee...

 

The point is that we shouldn't be saying "get this guy, no matter the cost" when he's going to give you an .850 OPS, average at best defense, and is about to leave his prime for 4/50.

 

I won't literally give up the entire farm. And I'd try my best to hold onto my best guys. But I give up a heck of a lot to get Tejada.

 

I agree, I'd like to get Tejada too. However, a multitude of people in this thread are saying what I said above, or more specific deals like Pie, Hill, Williams, and Cedeno, maybe more. That sort of thing would cripple us, as I outlined earlier in the thread.

 

I wouldn't start at that package, but if forced I'd probably do it, maybe minus one guy and do not think it would cripple us. Pierre is here for the long haul and Pie is no corner OF. Cedeno would have no purpose. None of these guys is likely to be as good at his job as Tejada is. The window is closing and all of them have backup in the system. Cedeno could move to 2nd, but EPatt is right behind and just as capable. This makes the Cubs better in the short-term (at least 2 years) and when that 3rd year comes up there would be multiple guys available who could be just as capable of filling in where those prospects would be expected to.

 

My deal with that trade is that it now forces us to use Rusch as a starter, and now Wellemeyer and Guzman are our only conceivable options to back up the rotation. Plus, we have 12 million fewer to use on the sparse FA market, and aside from Guzman and Ryu, we have nothing to trade that's close to Major League ready. I don't think that makes us so much better that it's worth hampering us so much.

 

washburn and millwood are both still out there. To not make this deal to avoid using rusch is just piling stupidity upon stupidity (the initial stupidity being signing rusch in the first place). Rusch is going to pitch for the cubs this year so you might as well improve the offense.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I've said this before but I think the O's would be looking for another impact player not prospects. They are not in salary dump mode.

 

They should be though because they will never overtake NY or Boston with their core.

 

None of those guys you list CPatt, Hill, Williams, Pie, Cedeno is likely to ever be a difference maker. Tejada is for 2006. Normally I agree with you but I think you are crazy if you pass up a chance to win in 2006 to keep those four.

 

Oh I agree, I think the O'sshould be in dump mode - I just don't think they see it that way. If I were the Cubs I'd pull the trigger.

[StMarksCubs]

I've said this before but I think the O's would be looking for another impact player not prospects. They are not in salary dump mode.

 

They should be though because they will never overtake NY or Boston with their core.

 

None of those guys you list CPatt, Hill, Williams, Pie, Cedeno is likely to ever be a difference maker. Tejada is for 2006. Normally I agree with you but I think you are crazy if you pass up a chance to win in 2006 to keep those four.

 

Oh I agree, I think the O'sshould be in dump mode - I just don't think they see it that way. If I were the Cubs I'd pull the trigger.

 

Speaking of the O's, I guess Sosa and his agents have SO many teams looking at him that their heads must be spinning with all the choices! Must be hard to decide with half the majors interested!

[stitchface]

I've said this before but I think the O's would be looking for another impact player not prospects. They are not in salary dump mode.

 

They should be though because they will never overtake NY or Boston with their core.

 

None of those guys you list CPatt, Hill, Williams, Pie, Cedeno is likely to ever be a difference maker. Tejada is for 2006. Normally I agree with you but I think you are crazy if you pass up a chance to win in 2006 to keep those four.

 

Oh I agree, I think the O'sshould be in dump mode - I just don't think they see it that way. If I were the Cubs I'd pull the trigger.

 

even if they were in dump mode, I don't think those prospects would generate enough excitement. Only Pie has star potential and that seems pretty unlikely at this point (I hold out hope given his age).

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Lee is a 1B! Tejada is a SS! Lee is 30! Tejada is 29! What in god's green earth are you talking about? Tejada is younger and produces comparable, if not better numbers than most of the first basemen in major league baseball!

 

To say that Tejada is getting old and his production is inferior to an MVP candidate at 1B is either a ringing endorsement for Tejada or it says something negative about DLee...

 

The point is that we shouldn't be saying "get this guy, no matter the cost" when he's going to give you an .850 OPS, average at best defense, and is about to leave his prime for 4/50.

 

I won't literally give up the entire farm. And I'd try my best to hold onto my best guys. But I give up a heck of a lot to get Tejada.

 

I agree, I'd like to get Tejada too. However, a multitude of people in this thread are saying what I said above, or more specific deals like Pie, Hill, Williams, and Cedeno, maybe more. That sort of thing would cripple us, as I outlined earlier in the thread.

 

I wouldn't start at that package, but if forced I'd probably do it, maybe minus one guy and do not think it would cripple us. Pierre is here for the long haul and Pie is no corner OF. Cedeno would have no purpose. None of these guys is likely to be as good at his job as Tejada is. The window is closing and all of them have backup in the system. Cedeno could move to 2nd, but EPatt is right behind and just as capable. This makes the Cubs better in the short-term (at least 2 years) and when that 3rd year comes up there would be multiple guys available who could be just as capable of filling in where those prospects would be expected to.

 

My deal with that trade is that it now forces us to use Rusch as a starter, and now Wellemeyer and Guzman are our only conceivable options to back up the rotation. Plus, we have 12 million fewer to use on the sparse FA market, and aside from Guzman and Ryu, we have nothing to trade that's close to Major League ready. I don't think that makes us so much better that it's worth hampering us so much.

 

washburn and millwood are both still out there. To not make this deal to avoid using rusch is just piling stupidity upon stupidity (the initial stupidity being signing rusch in the first place). Rusch is going to pitch for the cubs this year so you might as well improve the offense.

 

It's not about keeping the prospects, or justifying Rusch's presence, it's about the state you're in after the trade. Tejada fills the hole at SS very very well, but he gives us significantly fewer resources to fill RF(for which we don't have a cheap, capable replacement), and opens up a hole in the rotation(or 'another' if you feel we need a starter now). Plus it eliminates just about all trading chips you have near the Major League level when combined with the Pierre giveaway. Plus he's 30 next year, and he has a large contract, and he's not a great defender, etc, etc.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I've said this before but I think the O's would be looking for another impact player not prospects. They are not in salary dump mode.

 

They should be though because they will never overtake NY or Boston with their core.

 

None of those guys you list CPatt, Hill, Williams, Pie, Cedeno is likely to ever be a difference maker. Tejada is for 2006. Normally I agree with you but I think you are crazy if you pass up a chance to win in 2006 to keep those four.

 

Oh I agree, I think the O'sshould be in dump mode - I just don't think they see it that way. If I were the Cubs I'd pull the trigger.

 

even if they were in dump mode, I don't think those prospects would generate enough excitement. Only Pie has star potential and that seems pretty unlikely at this point (I hold out hope given his age).

 

Yeah a lot of it depends on how you'd feel about Pie. I'm not very high on him either.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

It's not about keeping the prospects, or justifying Rusch's presence, it's about the state you're in after the trade. Tejada fills the hole at SS very very well, but he gives us significantly fewer resources to fill RF(for which we don't have a cheap, capable replacement), and opens up a hole in the rotation(or 'another' if you feel we need a starter now). Plus it eliminates just about all trading chips you have near the Major League level when combined with the Pierre giveaway. Plus he's 30 next year, and he has a large contract, and he's not a great defender, etc, etc.

 

I know I'll catch some crap for saying this, but the upgrade at SS would almost be enough to keep Patterson and put him in RF.

[nolanwood]

I've said this before but I think the O's would be looking for another impact player not prospects. They are not in salary dump mode.

 

They should be though because they will never overtake NY or Boston with their core.

 

None of those guys you list CPatt, Hill, Williams, Pie, Cedeno is likely to ever be a difference maker. Tejada is for 2006. Normally I agree with you but I think you are crazy if you pass up a chance to win in 2006 to keep those four.

 

I strongly disagree.....there is absolutely NO way you can predict if any of those guys is going to be a difference maker. Willis had a horrendous season with us @ A before we let him go - and he seems to be quite the difference maker.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

It's not about keeping the prospects, or justifying Rusch's presence, it's about the state you're in after the trade. Tejada fills the hole at SS very very well, but he gives us significantly fewer resources to fill RF(for which we don't have a cheap, capable replacement), and opens up a hole in the rotation(or 'another' if you feel we need a starter now). Plus it eliminates just about all trading chips you have near the Major League level when combined with the Pierre giveaway. Plus he's 30 next year, and he has a large contract, and he's not a great defender, etc, etc.

 

 

How much $ would the Cubs have left after the deal?

[The Voice of Reason]

I've said this before but I think the O's would be looking for another impact player not prospects. They are not in salary dump mode.

 

Good point. OK will give them Neifi.