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    We've discussed this as a remote but fascinating possibility all winter. Now that it's mid-January, those vague possibilities are taking on more definite forms. Alex Bregman and the Chicago Cubs could end up turning to one another in a moment of need as the endgame of the offseason sets in, according to 670 The Score's Bruce Levine

    The specific structure that Levine mentions is a three-year deal with opt-outs after each season, akin to the deals signed by Matt Chapman and Cody Bellinger last winter, and by Carlos Correa prior to the 2022 season. The Cubs aren't interested in a long-term Bregman commitment, Levine reported, but would be open to some version of this deal. They're just one of a handful of places where Bregman might land if he fully embraces the idea of such a contract, and there's still no guarantee that he will end up doing so, but you can start to see how this would work.

    Bregman could play second base very early in the season, with Nico Hoerner (perhaps) still recovering from his offseason forearm surgery. He and Matt Shaw would cover for Hoerner as needed, and the Cubs would also be relieved of their dependence on the risky proposition of handing the rookie Shaw a full-time gig right away. Bregman's skill set is well-rounded, and he'd fit gorgeously between Kyle Tucker and Michael Busch in the lineup. All that is easy to grasp.

    There are some complications, though. Doing this might require the team to move money from elsewhere on the roster, in order to make room for the expensive, high-ceiling pitching help they still need. Bregman is unlikely to sign for an AAV even as low as Bellinger's $26.7 million, so there would be wrinkles to smooth out even if this came to fruition. Nonetheless, it's an enticing option.

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    squally1313

    Posted

    To be fair to chibears, he mentioned getting a third team involved in some sort of lose Hoerner/pick up King situation. Hoerner to Seattle, Ford to San Diego, King to the Cubs as a (very loose) framework. 

    Rcal10

    Posted (edited)

    20 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

    To be fair to chibears, he mentioned getting a third team involved in some sort of lose Hoerner/pick up King situation. Hoerner to Seattle, Ford to San Diego, King to the Cubs as a (very loose) framework. 

    True, but does Seattle want to take on salary? I thought they were looking to move some too? I get your point and chibear did say that. But I don’t think Seattle would be the team. 

    Edited by Rcal10
    Jason Ross

    Posted

    Excluding the Padres, who are in a weird ownership-battle between children that could involve lawsuits, I think Hoerner's contract is good enough and Hoerner is good enough that even teams who are signaling that they might not be overly interested in adding money would consider it. At $10m real world cash, and four wins, and signed for two years...that's a pretty darn good deal. I really wouldn't be surprised to see teams like a Seattle be interested in that contract for prospects if it came to it, despite the public signal. 

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    squally1313

    Posted

    14 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

    True, but does Seattle want to take on salary? I thought they were looking to move some too? I get your point and chibear did say that. But I don’t think Seattle would be the team. 

    I mean, those are nitty gritty details. Take on Haniger and a portion of his salary or whatever. 

    Rcal10

    Posted

    5 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

    I mean, those are nitty gritty details. Take on Haniger and a portion of his salary or whatever. 

    Which team is taking on Haniger? The point of dealing Nico is too also lower salary. So that isn’t the Cubs. The point of moving King is too also lower lower salary so that isn’t the Padres. You may call it nitty gritty details but they are details that would make this impossible to complete. 

    squally1313

    Posted

    17 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

    Which team is taking on Haniger? The point of dealing Nico is too also lower salary. So that isn’t the Cubs. The point of moving King is too also lower lower salary so that isn’t the Padres. You may call it nitty gritty details but they are details that would make this impossible to complete. 

    I mean I just threw out names. If the Mariners can't stomach a $12m 4 win player, fine, I guess. I'm sure some team could. If every team is supposedly looking to lose salary, either now or in a hypothetical future, then yes, trades seem very hard to accomplish. 

    Bertz

    Posted

    Just now, squally1313 said:

    I mean I just threw out names. If the Mariners can't stomach a $12m 4 win player, fine, I guess. I'm sure some team could. If every team is supposedly looking to lose salary, either now or in a hypothetical future, then yes, trades seem very hard to accomplish. 

    And conversely if budgets are so widely  tapped out league wide you can do a hell of a lot of work with the $20M left in Jed's pocket after hypothetically losing out on Bregman.  

    You can't worry in both directions.  Well, you *can* but it's especially silly.

    squally1313

    Posted

    10 minutes ago, Bertz said:

    And conversely if budgets are so widely  tapped out league wide you can do a hell of a lot of work with the $20M left in Jed's pocket after hypothetically losing out on Bregman.  

    You can't worry in both directions.  Well, you *can* but it's especially silly.

    Yeah exactly. No one can take on salary? Fine, find the most desperate team (ie the Padres) and fleece them (for Cease and/or King).  

    Or, there are teams that can take on salary? Cool, they probably want a really good second baseman/shortstop at $12m a year and would happily toss some controlled names at the Padres to send King our way. 

    chibears55

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Randall Simon said:

    It wouldn't be King, because the Pads are known to be trying to dump salary. A Nico for King swap would result in SD adding salary, which they would not agree to.  

    Why i mentioned a 3rd team, nico goes to say Seattle,  and Seattle sends the Padres prospects 

    CubinNY

    Posted

    The Cubs are so good at not leaking I hate it.

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    Rcal10

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Bertz said:

    And conversely if budgets are so widely  tapped out league wide you can do a hell of a lot of work with the $20M left in Jed's pocket after hypothetically losing out on Bregman.  

    You can't worry in both directions.  Well, you *can* but it's especially silly.

    You can. I agree. But the teams trying to dump salary seem to also want major league talent back. Doesn’t make sense. But the Padres don’t want to trade Cease or King just for prospects. Seattle isn’t interested either. I keep going back to Phillies and Yankees. If the Cubs and SD are satisfied with each saving maybe $3M in salary does Nico to NY, King to the Cubs and Schmidt to SD make sense? Maybe SD throws a prospect to someone. . 

    Dfan25

    Posted

    Blue Jays GM said any add they do from this point on will likely be via trade ( FWIW . As long as the Cubs offer is the highest on AAV , they have a chance here .  
     

    It could take about one more week of waiting , but I think they have a chance . All this I want 6 years talk , could be Boras trying to get the Cubs to meet in between ( 5 years ) I don’t think the Cubs will go 5 , but even at 4 / 120 it could get done . 

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    gflore34

    Posted (edited)

    Obligatory - I'm shocked the Dodgers haven't made this all academic by swooping in and signing him.

    Edited by gflore34
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    Dfan25

    Posted

     

    17 Seconds

    Posted

    did Tom write that?

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    CubinNY

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, 17 Seconds said:

    did Tom write that?

    lol, WTF? 

    You have to think they are talking about bang for the buck, given their expected position by the end of the year. 

    But that's loser talk, bank WAR now, and worry about sorting it out later. 

    CubinNY

    Posted

    Also, Cubs brass is definitely reading NSBB.

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    We Got The Whole 9

    Posted

    They need to sign him and not trade Nico. This WPA talk feels directly related to what you actually gain by adding him and trading Nico. 

     

    It doesn't feel like they are too concerned if he doesn't sign with them.

    UMFan83

    Posted (edited)

    13 minutes ago, Dfan25 said:

     

    What a weird statement.  I know there are a few moving pieces here that would affect "win probability" (contract AAV/length and follow up moves being 2 big ones) but seems strange to suggest they don't already have a pretty good idea of what adding him would bring to the team, while potentially subtracting Nico, playing Shaw at 2B, adding a pitcher, etc.  I would hope they have a giant computer that shoots projections for all these scenarios within seconds and that they did their initial due diligence weeks if not months ago.

    Edited by UMFan83
    Ding Dong Johnson

    Posted

    10 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

    Also, Cubs brass is definitely reading NSBB.

    Cubs brass can't read

    Rcal10

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, Ding Dong Johnson said:

    Cubs brass can't read

    What would be awesome is if this organization didn’t get all hung up on the LT BS. Sign him and keep Nico. And if they need help at the deadline get it. For that matter, sign him, keep Nico and trade for either Cease or King NOW. That is what a big market should do. If the Astros signed Bregman they would be getting close to the next level in LT. Yet, they are still in it. Haven’t heard anyone suggest they are not because of fear of the FIRST LT line. Dbacks sign Burnes when they already had a rotation in place and are not a large market. Yet I don’t hear anything about them and their payroll. Then there is the large market Cubs. Put on your damn big big pants, stop playing the fans for fools and build a team that could win a WS. And if it cost $255M for the roster, than that is the cost. 

    gflore34

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

    What would be awesome is if this organization didn’t get all hung up on the LT BS. Sign him and keep Nico. And if they need help at the deadline get it. For that matter, sign him, keep Nico and trade for either Cease or King NOW. That is what a big market should do. If the Astros signed Bregman they would be getting close to the next level in LT. Yet, they are still in it. Haven’t heard anyone suggest they are not because of fear of the FIRST LT line. Dbacks sign Burnes when they already had a rotation in place and are not a large market. Yet I don’t hear anything about them and their payroll. Then there is the large market Cubs. Put on your damn big big pants, stop playing the fans for fools and build a team that could win a WS. And if it cost $255M for the roster, than that is the cost. 

    Start acting like a Big Market team, there's no reason they shouldn't dominate the NL Central.  LT be damned, putting forth the best possible team, winning, will ultimately generate more revenue.

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    Randall Simon

    Posted

    Thinking about filling out the bench on the cheap, how much would guys like Whit Merrifield, Connor Joe, Brendan Rodgers, Joey Wendle or Brian Anderson cost? 

    I realize these aren't sexy names, but if we need an additional bench bat on the cheep...

    Stratos

    Posted

    Just a note that after the Pressly trade with us (where they got a prospect in return) the Astros have dipped under the LT and are at 236m in LT payroll right now.  

    They were at 262m and over the LT last year, but in the few years prior were under the tax.  It may be that they want to reset this year and are out on Bregman.

    Dumping a good player like Pressly might be a sign they're trying to get under the tax and are done adding.  The only significant player they added this year was Walker at 1b.

    What might show they're still in on Bregman is that Altuve has been working out in LF the last couple of weeks,  but that could just be for flexibility.  They have Paredes and Cam Smith.

    IMO when they added Paredes and Cam Smith they were probably out on Bregman longterm.

    Stratos

    Posted (edited)

    The Red Sox payroll is the same as ours right now.   They have room to add.  But with Devers where would Bregman play?

    Blue Jays are at 273m, and had 240m last year.  I find it unlikely they add a salary like Bregman.

    Edited by Stratos



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