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    We've discussed this as a remote but fascinating possibility all winter. Now that it's mid-January, those vague possibilities are taking on more definite forms. Alex Bregman and the Chicago Cubs could end up turning to one another in a moment of need as the endgame of the offseason sets in, according to 670 The Score's Bruce Levine

    The specific structure that Levine mentions is a three-year deal with opt-outs after each season, akin to the deals signed by Matt Chapman and Cody Bellinger last winter, and by Carlos Correa prior to the 2022 season. The Cubs aren't interested in a long-term Bregman commitment, Levine reported, but would be open to some version of this deal. They're just one of a handful of places where Bregman might land if he fully embraces the idea of such a contract, and there's still no guarantee that he will end up doing so, but you can start to see how this would work.

    Bregman could play second base very early in the season, with Nico Hoerner (perhaps) still recovering from his offseason forearm surgery. He and Matt Shaw would cover for Hoerner as needed, and the Cubs would also be relieved of their dependence on the risky proposition of handing the rookie Shaw a full-time gig right away. Bregman's skill set is well-rounded, and he'd fit gorgeously between Kyle Tucker and Michael Busch in the lineup. All that is easy to grasp.

    There are some complications, though. Doing this might require the team to move money from elsewhere on the roster, in order to make room for the expensive, high-ceiling pitching help they still need. Bregman is unlikely to sign for an AAV even as low as Bellinger's $26.7 million, so there would be wrinkles to smooth out even if this came to fruition. Nonetheless, it's an enticing option.

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    Randall Simon

    Posted

    1 hour ago, gflore34 said:

    Is it possible there really is no market for Bregman and Boras is trying, with well placed rumors, to create one?

    This. He only has short term offers for sure. If he had a 5 or 6 year offer he'd have signed it already. 

    He'll end up signing a Belli type offer no doubt. 

    Jason Ross

    Posted

    8 minutes ago, Randall Simon said:

    This. He only has short term offers for sure. If he had a 5 or 6 year offer he'd have signed it already. 

    He'll end up signing a Belli type offer no doubt. 

    The Bowden report gives a reason for why he hasn't signed one of those 5/6 year deals - they're a drop in yearly salary for Bregman over what he made last year. True or not, it would make some sense as to:

    1. Why he hasn't signed yet.

    2. Why he' entertain shorter deals, if yearly salary matters that much. 

    Rcal10

    Posted

    26 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

    The Bowden report gives a reason for why he hasn't signed one of those 5/6 year deals - they're a drop in yearly salary for Bregman over what he made last year. True or not, it would make some sense as to:

    1. Why he hasn't signed yet.

    2. Why he' entertain shorter deals, if yearly salary matters that much. 

    Is there even a remote possibility Jed does offer Bregman a 5 year deal with deferred money attached? I mean we all assune(with good reason) that Jed won’t do it, but he did sign Swanson for 7 years. What if he gave in $135M for 5 years but with deferring some money it only ended up costing him $19M to $20M for LT purposes? Cubs would still have a little money for a bench bat or maybe Chafin in the pen. My guess is ,NO, it isn’t possible. But who knows.🤷

    CubinNY

    Posted

    14 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

    Is there even a remote possibility Jed does offer Bregman a 5 year deal with deferred money attached? I mean we all assune(with good reason) that Jed won’t do it, but he did sign Swanson for 7 years. What if he gave in $135M for 5 years but with deferring some money it only ended up costing him $19M to $20M for LT purposes? Cubs would still have a little money for a bench bat or maybe Chafin in the pen. My guess is ,NO, it isn’t possible. But who knows.🤷

    No

    Rcal10

    Posted

    17 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

    No

    😅 I know that is insane thinking. 

    Thusly Boned

    Posted

    46 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

    Is there even a remote possibility Jed does offer Bregman a 5 year deal with deferred money attached? I mean we all assune(with good reason) that Jed won’t do it, but he did sign Swanson for 7 years. What if he gave in $135M for 5 years but with deferring some money it only ended up costing him $19M to $20M for LT purposes? Cubs would still have a little money for a bench bat or maybe Chafin in the pen. My guess is ,NO, it isn’t possible. But who knows.🤷

    Well Swanson was younger and coming off his best season (and getting better year over year) when the Cubs signed him. And he has a much better defensive skillset. Bregman has been declining, and isn't going to offer much I the way of defensive value as his bat abandons him.

    I'd be all about giving him 2-3 years (with options), but I don't think Jed would go beyond Bellinger type deal, especially if the team is really confident in Shaw. 

    Of course I think the rumors of the Cubs interest are largely exaggerated to drum up demand, and if I had to bet, I'd put my money on him going back to Houston. Unless Toronto is so desperate to actually land a name player that they do something foolish.

    Rcal10

    Posted

    42 minutes ago, Thusly Boned said:

    Well Swanson was younger and coming off his best season (and getting better year over year) when the Cubs signed him. And he has a much better defensive skillset. Bregman has been declining, and isn't going to offer much I the way of defensive value as his bat abandons him.

    I'd be all about giving him 2-3 years (with options), but I don't think Jed would go beyond Bellinger type deal, especially if the team is really confident in Shaw. 

    Of course I think the rumors of the Cubs interest are largely exaggerated to drum up demand, and if I had to bet, I'd put my money on him going back to Houston. Unless Toronto is so desperate to actually land a name player that they do something foolish.

    I tend to agree that the Cubs possibly signing him is exaggerated. 

    MarkBellhorn

    Posted (edited)

    now that Mariners signed Polanco , The Nico to the Mainers angle is dead. Yankees last had interested in Nico and are till looking to deal Stroman  opening up a three team possbility.

    Edited by MarkBellhorn
    Jason Ross

    Posted

    9 minutes ago, MarkBellhorn said:

    now that Mariners signed Polanco , The Nico to the Mainers angle is dead. Yankees last had interested in Nico and are till looking to deal Stroman  opening up a three team possbility.

    The Cubs are not trading Nico to the Yankees for Stroman. Stroman looks like toast and Nico is coming off a 4 win season. 

    BigbadB

    Posted

    14 hours ago, squally1313 said:

    I find it hard to believe there's a team out there who would give up a cost controlled mid rotation starter and $12m (x 2 years) for Nico Hoerner instead of just....signing Alex Bregman themselves. 

    It's also hard to believe Bregman is balking on a 6/156 offer.

    Bertz

    Posted

    My guess, assuming we're not getting a bunch of outright lies, is this is the state of play:

    - Something about the Astros offer sucks.  Deferrals, a vesting option. something like that.  Bregman wants to go back so decent chance this works still

    - The Tigers offer is decent.  Probably on the low end of what Bregman would take, but he doesn't want to go to Detroit so he's hoping someone else steps up

    - Cubs are offering something Bellinger-esque

    - Red Sox are offering something stupid.  4/100 with no options or something like that.  They're going to get a "we tried" out of this

    - Mets haven't seriously engaged, but are interested until Alonso inevitably re-signs

    And thus we wait for someone to step up or Bregman to take Detroit's money.

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    MarkBellhorn

    Posted

    16 hours ago, 1908_Cubs said:

    The Cubs are not trading Nico to the Yankees for Stroman. Stroman looks like toast and Nico is coming off a 4 win season. 

     

    As I mentioned  3 team trade.  Wasn't saying the Cubs are taking back Stroman. 

    Jason Ross

    Posted

    Just now, MarkBellhorn said:

     

    As I mentioned  3 team trade.  Wasn't saying the Cubs are taking back Stroman. 

    Even then, there's a big discrepancy in value between Hoerner and Stroman. Enough that there is almost no trade to be had, even with a third party. 

    CubinNY

    Posted

    I kinda think it’s “the Cubs still have not spent”, “the agent(s) are leaking”, there have been talks but nothing serious. 
     

    They can’t fit Bergman under their budget, the Padres want a lot for Cease, and their closer is expensive and 36. 
     

    it’s the tail end of the silly season. If they get Bergman I expect they will trade Shaw for Cease, but not before. But I don’t think either has a high likelihood of happening. 
     

    And we will get a one or two year WS or bust team and reset after the new CBA. 

    Rcal10

    Posted

    18 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

    I kinda think it’s “the Cubs still have not spent”, “the agent(s) are leaking”, there have been talks but nothing serious. 
     

    They can’t fit Bergman under their budget, the Padres want a lot for Cease, and their closer is expensive and 36. 
     

    it’s the tail end of the silly season. If they get Bergman I expect they will trade Shaw for Cease, but not before. But I don’t think either has a high likelihood of happening. 
     

    And we will get a one or two year WS or bust team and reset after the new CBA. 

    The problem with the idea of if they get Bregman they then trade Shaw for Cease is twofold. First, under no circumstances would I want the Cubs to trade Shaw for a rental pitcher. So that would be a non starter. And then, if they did sign Bregman they don’t have the budget to trade for Cease. As you said, highly unlikely. 
    I think if they signed Bregman they would trade Hoerner and let Shaw and Berti man second. Maybe they then sign Roberson. Hoerner would bring back a prospect. And I highly doubt this as well. 

    SOFNR

    Posted (edited)

    30 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

    The problem with the idea of if they get Bregman they then trade Shaw for Cease is twofold. First, under no circumstances would I want the Cubs to trade Shaw for a rental pitcher. So that would be a non starter. And then, if they did sign Bregman they don’t have the budget to trade for Cease. As you said, highly unlikely. 
    I think if they signed Bregman they would trade Hoerner and let Shaw and Berti man second. Maybe they then sign Roberson. Hoerner would bring back a prospect. And I highly doubt this as well. 

    It would also just be terrible mismanagement to trade your two best 3B prospects, plus a good 3B with 3 years of control, to sign a guy who can opt out a year from now.

    Edited by SOFNR
    Rcal10

    Posted

    36 minutes ago, SOFNR said:

    It would also just be terrible mismanagement to trade your two best 3B prospects, plus a good 3B with 3 years of control, to sign a guy who can opt out a year from now.

    I agree. No chance Shaw is moved. Let someone else get Cease or Peller needs to lower his demands. 

    JD94

    Posted

    I’m with @Bertz in that I think Bregman just does not want to go to Detroit period. 
     

    Also I wouldn’t get caught up in Shaw. The Cubs aren’t moving him unless it’s some crazy obvious move that gets you a star under control for multiple years. Otherwise he’s staying. From all accounts they obviously love Shaw and he’s almost untouchable. 

    MarkBellhorn

    Posted

    Cubs added some more upside infield depth to stash at Iowa in Nicky Lopez.

    Stratos

    Posted

    2 days old but:

     

    JD94

    Posted

    Not sure what to make of this. Just another tidbit of info to consider. Feels like we should know one way or another soon. I’ve never bought into we are serious suitors. I would be lying if I said a tiny part of me isn’t holding out some hope though. Would love to add Bregman. You don’t even HAVE to move Nico if you get him. Shaw can start at 2B until Nico is ready. Gives you time to see what he can do. If he struggles, good thing you signed Bregman… if he hits, figure out a way to keep him in the lineup. There will be other injuries and opportunities for him to play regularly. 

    Bertz

    Posted

    I have not exactly been rah rah for Bregman previously, but I think I'm fully out on him after reading this.

    You have to have one hell of a subsequent deal lined up for Nico (or Shaw?) for this to feel anywhere near worth it.

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    Jason Ross

    Posted

    12 minutes ago, Bertz said:

    I have not exactly been rah rah for Bregman previously, but I think I'm fully out on him after reading this.

    You have to have one hell of a subsequent deal lined up for Nico (or Shaw?) for this to feel anywhere near worth it.

    Yeah, that kind of sells me on it as well. You'd have to have a ready-to-go deal for someone else for me to really think it's a good idea and even then the deal would have to be a pretty good one. 

    CubinNY

    Posted (edited)

    Detroit Punish GIF by MOODMANBergman right now.

    Edited by CubinNY
    Stratos

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Bertz said:

    I have not exactly been rah rah for Bregman previously, but I think I'm fully out on him after reading this.

    You have to have one hell of a subsequent deal lined up for Nico (or Shaw?) for this to feel anywhere near worth it.

    Note that Shaw can play some 2b if Nico isn't 100% by OD.  Same at SS for Swanson.

    Bregman might be adding anywhere from 1 to 2 WAR to the team if we assume a solid but not amazing year for Shaw and Shaw adding depth at 2B, SS, and 3B.  Could be more WAR he adds if there's injuries.

    A couple months in AAA throughout the year wouldn't kill Shaw either, especially working on the glove at 3b and 2b.




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