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Is that a MLB rule for the ump to yell that? Also, what compelled AJP to run? AJP is a catcher and he knows the rules and he ran while Paul thought otherwise. Yeah, I want to know if it's REQUIRED for the ump to yell that. If it's not it should be, and the 1st and 3rd base umps also need to chime in immediately if they see a dropped ball. It would actually be a good idea to have the line umps approve all strikeouts to avoid uncertainty. I agree and this should be a rule but if it's not Paul assumed wrong. I have no idea why the umps didn't get together... all of them and talk about this. From the blurb I saw only the two of them got together.

AJ never saw the umpire signal that he was out. When AJ is looking back at the umpire he is signalling that there was no contact. True but he felt compelled to run....why? http://a.abcnews.com/images/Sports/CXS20710130327.jpeg Great picture DJAXX. You see Paul about to roll the ball while the ump is making his non foul signal and AJ is paying attention to the ump.

AJ never saw the umpire signal that he was out. When AJ is looking back at the umpire he is signalling that there was no contact. True but he felt compelled to run....why?

It's biting the Angels. So do the Angles. Do you think these guys are robots or something? They make mistakes and I'm sure they feel bad if they do. They sure showed no remose in the press conference. Do you really think an ump is going to say "Yeah, I blew the call...I feel bad." More indecision leads to even more trouble in their eyes.

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief. competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief. True. He made a mistake and it came back to bite him big time. How so? If he has to come to Anaheim today, let's just say Southern Californians have threatened to do more than bite him. :o Cuse, there's one inconsistency when you say Josh Paul should have tagged him just in case. Eddings and all MLB umps yell, "NOT CAUGHT! NOT CAUGHT!" when a catcher needs to tag or throw the ball to first. Eddings didn't do that. Don't blame Paul for Eddings screw up. AJP also heard no "NOT CAUGHT!" and yet he went to first base. Is that a MLB rule for the ump to yell that? Also, what compelled AJP to run? AJP is a catcher and he knows the rules and he ran while Paul thought otherwise.

What is the MLB rule on this?

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief. competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief. True. He made a mistake and it came back to bite him big time. How so? Indecision. How is it biting him? It's biting the Angels. So do the Angles. Do you think these guys are robots or something? They make mistakes and I'm sure they feel bad if they do.

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief. competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief. True. He made a mistake and it came back to bite him big time. How so? Indecision.

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief. competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief. True. He made a mistake and it came back to bite him big time.

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief.

After watching the replay I'm not so sure of that. It's certainly not a situation where he threw the ball to the mound, took 5 steps and then the umpire clutched his fist for the out. It doesn't have to be that. The ump has to call a batter out first then roll the ball and I thought that Paul did it too soon. Also, what was verbally said during the play...does anyone know?

Like I said, you're simply trying to divert from the real issue. That's fine. Nobody's buying it. I am saying that Paul assumed too quick and if you think that's diversion that's your choice.

No....... if you recall, I said that 99% of the time, the fielder can assume the out. The example that you're talking about happens probably less than 1% of the time. Furthermore, it didn't happen last night. You came up with the 99% not me. Do you have the actual numbers to back that up or are you assuming? I don't have actual numbers, and don't need them, because your point is irrelevant. The fact that Paul rolled the ball to the mound is your way of trying to divert from the real issue. The real issue is this: The batter was out. The umpire CALLED the batter out. The batter was allowed to stay on first base base, despite being called out. If you want to fault Paul for that, then you're simply missing the point. My point is that Paul rolled the ball before the out was called and I do find fault with that. I am not saying what the ump did was right but Paul took a chance and lost.

It looked to me that the other ump said he couldn't see what happened for sure and thus making it Eddings call. Who is the crew chief for this group? Enrico Polatzo. :D You may not be far off.

If Eddings watched Paul then why din't he call AJ out because it was obvious that Paul thought he caught the ball.

No....... if you recall, I said that 99% of the time, the fielder can assume the out. The example that you're talking about happens probably less than 1% of the time. Furthermore, it didn't happen last night. You came up with the 99% not me. Do you have the actual numbers to back that up or are you assuming?

It looked to me that the other ump said he couldn't see what happened for sure and thus making it Eddings call. Who is the crew chief for this group?

either that or darrin baker. who knows with dusty in charge? Maybe...Darrin has been there before.

Which they can do.

The right hand going up indicates there was no contact between the bat and the ball. In other words, it's not a foul. A foul ball had nothing to do with it though and since you can run on a ball in the dirt after a 3rd strike that to me is where the probelm is. Again, why did Paul roll the ball before AJ was called out? Because he knew it was an out. He assumed wrong then didn't he? No, he didn't assume wrong. It was an out. The umpire called the out. What more do you want? If he called him out why was AJ safe at first? Simple. Eddings reversed his own "out" call. Does it sound absolutely ludicrous that an umpire would reverse his own call without consulting any of the other umps? Good. Because that is why this is causing such an uproar. I saw him talking with another ump after the play.

It doesn't matter. If that outfielder thinks he caught the ball, and the umpire calls the batter "out", but the batter continues to run to first base, should the batter be safe? Of course not. Out is out. But...he has to see or hear him call him out before he does anything with the ball. Paul rolled the ball to the mound before the out was called. No, he doesn't have to see or hear ANYTHING before he does anything with the ball. If the fielder is certain that he caught the ball, then he probably won't even look at the umpire. You are kidding right? You can not assume things like that. Sure you can. It happens 99% of the time. Fielders rarely look at the umpire for the call, because they know what the call will be. I don't know about 99% of the time but they should always make sure. It's a game with humans and they make mistakes and it's the jobs of the players to do what they can to avoid it being a multiple mistake. No, it's the players' job to play the game by the rules, to the best of their ability. It's the umpire's job to apply the rules. The rules weren't applied. It wasn't a "mistake" by the umpire. He got the call right, and then changed his call, which is unheard of. It was a blatant violation of the rules by an umpire........... you can't put that on the players, no matter how you twist it. Really? So if one ump calls it an out and the other calls it a hit the OF should always assume it's an out? There is no clock in this game so what's the hurry to get a 3rd out? You have to make sure it's an out and if you assume you have a chance of getting burnt.

The right hand going up indicates there was no contact between the bat and the ball. In other words, it's not a foul. A foul ball had nothing to do with it though and since you can run on a ball in the dirt after a 3rd strike that to me is where the probelm is. Again, why did Paul roll the ball before AJ was called out? Because he knew it was an out. He assumed wrong then didn't he? No, he didn't assume wrong. It was an out. The umpire called the out. What more do you want? If he called him out why was AJ safe at first?

When I watch the replay on MLB.com I see the fist and then the ball thrown on the field. I thought I saw Paul going toward the bench and rolling the ball just before the "out" call. If not, why would Paul not even think of throwing the ball if he saw AJ running because AJ took off when he saw the ump delay between the stright arm out and then the pump with the right hand up. After watching the clip I think MLB.com has every possible angle of the play. A person can also slow the speed of the reel which is a cool feature. From the camera angle behind the play you see AJ look at the umpire and see the hand to the right and he took off, which was the smart play. However, as the umpire signals out the catcher throws the ball back on the field. In fact, the call and the throw are about as simultaneous as it could get. As far as why Paul didn't throw when he saw AJ running is another question. The way I view it is that regardless of whether or not Paul throws to first the umpire has called no contact as well as the out. With that being said, the inning was over. I have not been able to see it in slow speed. let me ask you if what Paul is doing the whole time? Is he ready to throw the ball to first at any time or is he moving towards the bench and rolling the ball as the ump calls AJ out. Also, what was the pitcher and the other infielders doing while this was happening?

If the Cubs make the playoffs next year, would you feel comfortable w/ him as the closer?? Hypothetically speaking of course, cause he'll probably never be back. I wouldn't want him as a closer but I would want him on my staff. I also think it's the job of the pitching coach to notice his patterns of failure and when he does start to blow up to take him out before Pandora's Box opens.

It doesn't matter. If that outfielder thinks he caught the ball, and the umpire calls the batter "out", but the batter continues to run to first base, should the batter be safe? Of course not. Out is out. But...he has to see or hear him call him out before he does anything with the ball. Paul rolled the ball to the mound before the out was called. No, he doesn't have to see or hear ANYTHING before he does anything with the ball. If the fielder is certain that he caught the ball, then he probably won't even look at the umpire. You are kidding right? You can not assume things like that. Sure you can. It happens 99% of the time. Fielders rarely look at the umpire for the call, because they know what the call will be. I don't know about 99% of the time but they should always make sure. It's a game with humans and they make mistakes and it's the jobs of the players to do what they can to avoid it being a multiple mistake.