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Hmm. Would he throw a hissy fit about playing CF like he did over playing LF? maybe we put him at second and still get drew for center? :D

but not until you make a great run at jd drew, jimmy. well it's assuming the red sox acquire jd drew that we go after coco crisp. if they don't get drew they probably won't trade crisp. i know it, i was just saying drew would be so much better in center than crisp.

anybody else seen this from rotoworld?:

but not until you make a great run at jd drew, jimmy.

maybe this is a really stupid question, but is this different than the winter meetings?

I think Roberts will get 3 years b/t 4-7 per. by that third year he will be really old, but a really good old bench player.

Roberts Drew Lugo Zito(Schmidt isn't happening. i don't like Zito but Schmidt will be in Seattle) Hudson for Dempster, Jones + whatever minor leaguers pretty decent. especially if prior can be decent(lol) Roberts Lugo Drew Lee Ramirez Barrett Murton Izturis i really like that lineup(even with izturis being trash).

co-sign! edit: it's funny to think of the vast improvement in obp just by replacing juan pierre with roberts and jones with drew. wow!

this is the scariest part of that article. maybe they are just being nice though. this is a good day. i don't ever ever ever want to hear people complain about aramis' 'lack of hustle' and all that other carp on media outlets such as the score. its a ridiculous concept and he proves that he wasn't just out for the cash by turning it on at the end of the year.

that's the ticket.

well then ultimately you see no way we can contend next year at all. which is not bad in and of itself, but the problem here is that the cubs management has been and will continue to be completely inept at recognizing problems then making a plan to overcome those so long as the same figureheads remain. so what is the answer? the only way we ever come close with hendry in charge is to pay aramis that money, hope glendon retires(bad as that sounds), and a few other things fall into place. lovely world we cub fans live in ain't it? sorry if i came off harsh, but in my opinion you were making aramis out to be a greedy monster, and i just can't believe that to be the case.

It does? Doesn't hurt me. I meant hurts us with regard as players leaving our favorite teams and thus making them even worse. well yeah, except the cubs are going to be bad regardless of whether they resign aramis Since we both agree that will probably be the case if we sign Aramis, is there even a reason to sign him? If the Cubs are gonna be bad with him wouldn't it be better to be bad without him and start a fullout rebuilding mode ala the Marlins? I still say offer Aramis 6/90 if he doesn't take it oh well. The whole point about my argument about money is pretty simple. Teams have to work around a payroll. If a few guys eat up a good portion of your payroll you can't really improve your team enough through free agency. They only way you can 5 players eat up about 75 million dollars of your payroll is if you have a lot of good homegrown talent. You have to look at it this way. If we sign Aramis to 6/100 like he wants that is 16.667 million. We already have Lee in for 13 mil a year. You have to assume Zambrano will make about 15 million a year if we sign him to an extension. That will leave us with another 30 millioin dollars to sign two of Drew, Lee, Soriano, Schmidt, Zito. Then we will have to fillup the other 20 spots on our roster for under 30 million. I just don't see how it is possible to build a contender that way. If Aramis trully wanted to be here and win he would take less money knowing that in order to win he would need all the money we can to build winner. the part about the marlins is asinine. who do we trade to get the type of players that the marlins recieved via trade? zambrano? lee? that's fine, but is hendry really going to do that considering what has happened since 2003? and the money you are talking about doesn't really make sense either. +/- 17 + 13+ 15 = 45 + 30 = 75 million. the cubs were talking early on in the offseason about bringing the payroll to somewhere around 115 million. yeah that leaves us anotehr 30 million to sign two of Drew, Lee, Soriano, schmidt, and Zito like i said. Which would add up to 115 million, which is exactly like I said. well that's still 105, but whatever you win. that still doesn't answer the more important question i posed: how do you rebuild like the marlins did in the situation the cubs are in? and do you really think that hendry is the man to do an efficient job of that? even if you trade lee and zambrano for several studs we would be lucky to get one player that ends up as productive as ramirez is now. why not just pay the man?

It does? Doesn't hurt me. I meant hurts us with regard as players leaving our favorite teams and thus making them even worse. well yeah, except the cubs are going to be bad regardless of whether they resign aramis Since we both agree that will probably be the case if we sign Aramis, is there even a reason to sign him? If the Cubs are gonna be bad with him wouldn't it be better to be bad without him and start a fullout rebuilding mode ala the Marlins? I still say offer Aramis 6/90 if he doesn't take it oh well. The whole point about my argument about money is pretty simple. Teams have to work around a payroll. If a few guys eat up a good portion of your payroll you can't really improve your team enough through free agency. They only way you can 5 players eat up about 75 million dollars of your payroll is if you have a lot of good homegrown talent. You have to look at it this way. If we sign Aramis to 6/100 like he wants that is 16.667 million. We already have Lee in for 13 mil a year. You have to assume Zambrano will make about 15 million a year if we sign him to an extension. That will leave us with another 30 millioin dollars to sign two of Drew, Lee, Soriano, Schmidt, Zito. Then we will have to fillup the other 20 spots on our roster for under 30 million. I just don't see how it is possible to build a contender that way. If Aramis trully wanted to be here and win he would take less money knowing that in order to win he would need all the money we can to build winner. the part about the marlins is asinine. who do we trade to get the type of players that the marlins recieved via trade? zambrano? lee? that's fine, but is hendry really going to do that considering what has happened since 2003? and the money you are talking about doesn't really make sense either. +/- 17 + 13+ 15 = 45 + 30 = 75 million. the cubs were talking early on in the offseason about bringing the payroll to somewhere around 115 million.

well. this thread went from really interesting to carp real quick. WHO CARES HOW MUCH MONEY HE ASKS FOR? it's easy to sit at work and say woo woo woo it's alot of money they should be happy. it's great. really makes you look like a humanitarian. the idea that hey, let's just lose him to free agency; if (insert greedy local ballplayer) isn't going to take (insert years of contract offered by local ballclub and/or dollars offered by said local ballclub) then he should just get out of town. well, here's the reality check. if aramis ramirez leaves the cubs, the cubs lose next year. who are you going to replace him with? the japanese kid will be okay, but the cubs lose a power hitter there, so where is the power coming from? soriano? carlos lee? is hendry really going to pay either one of those 'beltran money' but not pay ramirez what he is asking? and even if they go that route there is no real improvent over what is an abyssmal(sp) offense. so yes, if aramis wants the big bucks the cubs certainly don't have to pay him, but if they aren't going to do that then where does that leave the team over the next three years?

He never said he'd never use it. yeah, i was wondering about that.

so if we go by rumors: ramirez is going to sign elsewhere matsuzaka(sp) will be in boston schmidt wants to play in seattle there are about 7 teams bidding for zito c.lee may end up in houston soriano wants beltran money where does this leave us? drew is probably an easy fit, but still. this is not a good look. :x

if we don't pay ramirez and have this guy at third it's going to be a long long year. if we pay ramirez and have this guy at second it will look very very nice.

Lets hope. nope. i bet the angles offer at least 7/90.

well hopefully it was dick pole and dusty overshadowing what rothschild actually brings to the table, we shall see.

holy carp! :shock: :o :D :idea:

< wondering the same thing.

i'm telling you guys, this offseason is going to be horrible. while we will probably get aramis back, i don't see any japanese pitching coming over, and no schmidt or zito either. so who does that leave? suppan? lol.

here's to hope that this thread gets no further into affirmative action. kthx.

that guy has no idea what he's talking about.

this offseason could crumble rather quickly it seems.