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It's amazing that Z has a 9-3 record on this horrible team. it will be a tragedy when he doesn't win the cy young if he continues on this pace.

It will be Dustys fault for not playing Barrett and Cedeno. The Valentin brothers are terrible human beings. At this point, I don't think Cedeno being out of the lineup hurts the Cubs. Although I do want to see him play everyday still so he can improve. you think neifi does more in a lineup than cedeno? i wonder if baker is sitting him because of the botched dp yesterday...

:shock: well at least there's one player not slacking! if zambrano comes away from this game with a loss...

that's a hell of a lineup he has out there today!

You clearly miss the point of the White Stripes To play poorly and make millions? I'd like to see any 6 month vet of the guitar play Ball and a Biscuit. Jack White's minimilistic style is just ironic because he's actually a fantastic Blues and Rock guitarist. Exactly. The point is they sound like anyone who plugs in in the garage and cranks it to 11. You call it "sloppy", I call it "not processed through ProTools 173 times before going on the CD" Trust me, I'm as big a critic on over-produced crap as anybody, but the White Stripes just play POORLY. There's no other word for it. Here's an analogy - the White Stripes are the Neifi Perez of music. They don't play at a professional level, yet are rewarded with millions of dollars for that mediocrity. i'm sorry, you must not understand art. it's a style of playing, that they do on purpose. it's called minimalism. de stilj? yeah, that's an art form, not just the name of one of their albums. very few musicians could make as complete albums as the white stripes do with the amount of instruments they use and the technology they employ. elephant was recorded completely without the use of computers. give me ONE other band on a major label that sells those types of units in the last 20 years that's done that. the drumming is on PURPOSE. i don't get people that can't wrap their heads around that. that's not a bass line on seven nation army. I know that it's done on purpose. My point isn't that they're not good musicians, only that they play VERY poorly, and make money off it. Their whole gimmick is not playing well. You can call it minimalism or art if you want to, but it's still lack of effort/talent shown that sets them apart from other acts. I've got my head wrapped around that they play poorly on purpose, but that's what upsets me. They don't play well and people love that about them, how does that make sense? They're duping their fans into shelling out big bucks to pay for their sloppily thrown together tracks in the name of art. i don't feel duped. i enjoy their records alot. name some particular songs that are so poorly played if you would please. it's like derwood said earlier, it sounds different than other bands because it's not processed a million times in pro tools. other musicians are syncing up the beat and whatnot, they just play... the drummer from pink floyd was often not right on syncopation, specifically on dark side, does that make him a poor drummer? if you aren't programming an 808 or an MPC, it's never going to be perfectly on time, at least for live recordings. edit: i don't think the art is moot at all. if music wasn't artistic, it would all be britney spears, and i think we can both agree that wouldn't be a good look.

You clearly miss the point of the White Stripes To play poorly and make millions? I'd like to see any 6 month vet of the guitar play Ball and a Biscuit. Jack White's minimilistic style is just ironic because he's actually a fantastic Blues and Rock guitarist. Exactly. The point is they sound like anyone who plugs in in the garage and cranks it to 11. You call it "sloppy", I call it "not processed through ProTools 173 times before going on the CD" Trust me, I'm as big a critic on over-produced crap as anybody, but the White Stripes just play POORLY. There's no other word for it. Here's an analogy - the White Stripes are the Neifi Perez of music. They don't play at a professional level, yet are rewarded with millions of dollars for that mediocrity. i'm sorry, you must not understand art. it's a style of playing, that they do on purpose. it's called minimalism. de stilj? yeah, that's an art form, not just the name of one of their albums. very few musicians could make as complete albums as the white stripes do with the amount of instruments they use and the technology they employ. elephant was recorded completely without the use of computers. give me ONE other band on a major label that sells those types of units in the last 20 years that's done that. the drumming is on PURPOSE. i don't get people that can't wrap their heads around that. that's not a bass line on seven nation army.

:shock: :x :? :( :cry: wow. just wow.

giles + ? for ramirez anyone?

joey cora? coincidence? mmmm

it's unrealistic to expect perfection from a closer in general, and specifically one who rarely gets work in save situations.

regardless wuertz should be in the bigs

I actually don't care for the use of electronics in music. I like Radiohead, but I'll take CCR over Radiohead any day. thom yorke is a genius. it's just that they have changed the landscape of music so much. if a group has broke so much ground and influenced so many bands since... i was harsh on that post, but that's only my opinion.

co-sign. i love queen though and it was tough. this 'tournament' is funny. 'just pseudo-political rock'? seriously? edit: as sure as i am that queen has a great live show is as sure as i am that you never had the chance to see rage.

i can't believe this is even a discussion. i'm embarrassed. ok computer and kid a have done more for music than anything ccr ever did. people here must really hate music that uses alot of electronic devices(don't argue with me that guitars are electronic devices, you know what i'm talking about).

looks like same old dusty to me.

i'm really suprised that people don't know much about the flaming lips. their sound is AMAZING and they are arguably one of the most creative bands of all time. get the soft bulletin in 5.1 surround, or yoshimi for that matter. the drumming is so... just breath taking. the way that the last few albums just flow, and the fact that they've been putting out trememdous records for a couple decades now should certainly make them closer to the stones than they are. they have several full lengths. not sure how many greatest hits albums rolling stones have, but believe me, TFL are more than 'vasoline' or 'do you realize'. maybe if wayne coyne were more of a sex symbol than he is they would be more recognized... sorry for the rant, but the flaming lips are soooooo good.

If the Cubs banked all of their World Series hopes on 1 every 5th day pitcher, then they should be fired for banking all their hopes on 1 every 5th day pitcher. This team is not in the toilet because of Mark Prior. If he isn't worth anything to the Cubs and therefore tradeable for whatever they can get for him, what exactly makes him worth anything to any other team for them to be dumb enough to offer something for him? Simple question. I'm not saying trade him today but very soon. There are a lot of stupid GMs in baseball and Mark Prior is a name player. Now I said stupid, not completely brain dead. I don't have access to what value players have because I'm not a GM. Based on the stupid trades I've seen before, I think if Prior were to put a few really good games together, you could find a team that would give you a very useful player in return for him this year. Now, if that stretch of very good games does come and the trade presents itself, I'd take it. If you don't make that trade, you have to be prepared to wait until his free agency and see what he's done. If you do that, he could leave the team as a free agent if he's good, resign or never have recovered and be useless. I think that's one heck of a gamble to make. We're already assuming he would stay here if he does recover, and even then we don't know if he ever will recover. There's so many variables involved that it just doesn't seem smart to me to take that risk. If they did, of course I would hope that it would work out even though I wouldn't think it would. In an ESPN.com article dated about three weeks ago, an anonymous GM was quoted as saying the only thing you could get from Prior right now is a "B" prospect. Couple that with Hendry's inability to judge minor league talent, Prior's cost and the fact that he's tied up until '08, and there's no reason to trade him now. There should be some sort of rule a GM follows that says "with very few exceptions, if a player is 'hot' and under 30, don't trade him in season. If a player is 'hot' and over thirty, deal him July 1st." I saw that quote. I don't know if it is 100% true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. I guess we don't know how much a very good couple weeks in a row would change that either. As for your theory, I agree with it, but I also think that when you have an under 30 player who has been injured as much as Prior, you should add a few years onto his age for those purposes. If you have a 2003 Ferrari, it isn't exactly the same if it's been salvaged. he isn't a car, and that analogy makes no sense. when you buy a new car, it would be assumed that it's at it's best when it's brand new right off the lot because as soon as it leaves the lot it loses value. a baseball player, grows and learns his trade, becoming better the more knowledgeable he becomes on the strikezone, the league, how to attack different players, etc etc. though i will say there are some players who are great in their rookie year, and then the book gets out on them(as dusty would say), ie jerome walton & dwight smith, i think it would be ignorant to put mark prior into that class. but to compare a baseball player to a car is stretching it. i guess i don't understand some things: why do you hate mark prior so much? and why do you love to argue all the time?

pretty clean to be game used... dusty must not have been his coach so he was on the bench the day he wore it i'm guessing

getting rid of baker won't solve much, if anything i'm afraid. yeah, von joshua would be nice, as would a new pitching coach, but if the players are still horrible then none of that matters.

i could have sworn during the broadcast of tonights game, len noted that at one point lee was 0-1 in the game and would be with the cubs tomorrow at dh.

links? :)

fixed :cry:

so things should always be done out of tradition, and never to be improved upon?

#3 is an interesting idea. not the abolishment of the leagues so much as the complete realignment of divisions. maybe an east/west or north/south nba-like league set up would be better. imagine a division like chicago, chicago, st. louis, milwaukee and minnesota! maybe a real tough division like that would get hendry fired... :wink: (the seattle, san fransisco, oakland, los angeles, los angeles one proposed would be interesting also)

:shock: Really? How about faulting them for being incompetent as owners? Again, aside from not removing any or all of the MacPhail/Hendry/Baker trio, you can't fault the Trib. They put up a good payroll and don't threaten to slash it if the team falters. They financed the addition to Wrigley. Getting mad at them for being the greedy corporation is misguided. i don't care about their greed(well i do, but that's a whole nother discussion), but if not removing MacPhail/Hendry/Baker is on their shoulders, then what is not? Only removing MacPhail is on their shoulders. It would be rare for a corporate owner to remove anyone except the guy they've chosen to run the team. And there are many very good possible reasons they haven't removed him including the one mentioned above about devalueing the asset by making it look like the management struture is in chaos. that's the whole point though. baker is hendry's fault, hendry is MacPhail's fault and MacPhail is the tribs fault, so following the logical line of passing the buck, the buck stops with the tribune. if MacPhail is not there, neither are hendry and baker.