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is that even mathematically possible? :wink:

but if there are less games started there are less innings pitched then less pitches thrown. you don't think that less starts/more time to heal would be just as beneficial as less pitches/more outings? just curious. edit: also, this is just my opinion, but marmol has a better chance of success at a major league level than hill, though i too would like to see hill get a real chance over a sustained period of time in the show than those spot starts. a curveball and fastball alone isn't going to cut it. do you realistically see hill as a starter or reliever in the majors? I'll take lower pitch counts with more starts every day of the week. Marmol and Hill are at different stages in their careers. Marmol hasn't been pitching for all that long, and still has things to work on in lower levels. Hill is older, has been pitching longer, and has shown he has nothing left to gain from dominating AAA hitters. If we're throwing away the season I'd rather see Marmol continuing to develop in the minors while giving Hill a true shot to see if he will be a starter or a reliever at the big league level. now my math may be wrong here, but i'll give it a shot. hypothetically, of course, lets say that there are 90 games remaining in a season. with 5 starters, each throwing 90 pitches per game, over a 90 game stretch, saying that they will be healthy the entire time and making all of their 18 remaining starts any individual pitcher on this staff will have, at the end of this time, thrown 1,620 pitches overall. with 6 starters, each throwing 100 pitches per game, over that same 90 game stretch, again saying that all remain in good shape and making all of their what would be in this rotation 15 starts, at 100 pitches thrown per start will have, at the end of the same period, thrown 1,500 pitches overall. with that said we can take it a step further. we will keep the six man rotation on the same 100 per game pitch count while holding a five man rotation to a mere 85 pitches per start. while again the six man rotation will have thrown 1,500 pitches overall, the five man at 85 per game will still end up with 30 pitches more than a six man rotation. now granted, 30 pitches is not that much, but when you add in the extra day of rest i think you would agree that the stress on arms such as Zambrano, Wood and Prior would be more well served in a blown season such as the 2006 campaign on a six man staff. the other point being that the team would hypothetically have to carry one more pitcher, and with that one less bat, and i think we all can agree that there are a few hitters on this squad that are unnecessary. as far as hill and marmol are concerned i will agree with you that hill should be starting over marmol. but again with the season how it is, i would favor marmol in the bullpen over some other people on the current roster. if he's going to get seasoning, why not let it be against hitters that he will actually face for the rest of his career and let him become acclamated(sp) with the lifestyle of the bigs versus that of the minor league?

but if there are less games started there are less innings pitched then less pitches thrown. you don't think that less starts/more time to heal would be just as beneficial as less pitches/more outings? just curious. edit: also, this is just my opinion, but marmol has a better chance of success at a major league level than hill, though i too would like to see hill get a real chance over a sustained period of time in the show than those spot starts. a curveball and fastball alone isn't going to cut it. do you realistically see hill as a starter or reliever in the majors?

Perhaps this is what Dusty means when he's always talking about "finishing the job." Prior, Wood, and Z. Z needs to be less stubborn and just get it over with. could you imagine what would happen if z got hurt and needed surgery? :shock: that may be the one thing that could get the entire coaching staff fired. but it's also the last thing i would ever want to happen.

why not go to a six man rotation? let zambrano not have his arm fall off, prior/wood can take it slow, marmol will get some experience as well as marshall, we won't have to pay maddux the extra bonus for innings pitched, heck maybe throw rusch out there every sixth day just to embarrass him to the point that he quits. Zambrano Prior Marshall Marmol Maddux Wood/Guzman? i know that the average argument here is, well, you want your best guys out there every fifth day to have the best shot at winning... well, we aren't winning and aren't going to be anytime soon. the trib wouldn't go for this, as they *think* all fans would be mad at any rebuilding, rather preferring to keep whatever wool they can over the general fans' eyes, but speaking realistically, it may be what's best, as we can tell who is who as far as the future of the rotation goes, as wood and maddux will probably both be gone after this season. so for the sake of banter, would you go for this?

Hot Cakes Grits Hash Browns? :D Hardees Golden Arches Hardees again?

hgh + no workout regimine whatsoever = glendon? :wink:

:shock: Really? How about faulting them for being incompetent as owners? Again, aside from not removing any or all of the MacPhail/Hendry/Baker trio, you can't fault the Trib. They put up a good payroll and don't threaten to slash it if the team falters. They financed the addition to Wrigley. Getting mad at them for being the greedy corporation is misguided. i don't care about their greed(well i do, but that's a whole nother discussion), but if not removing MacPhail/Hendry/Baker is on their shoulders, then what is not?

i'm sorry, but we aren't better than the royals. if the royals had the same payroll as the cubs they would have a better record than us. But they don't, so what does that have to do with it? it's all relevant, and i understand that, with the right front office, a low payroll is not necessarily indicitave of a poor performing team. however, would you not expect a team with such an excessive amount of resources, in particular the cubs, to be a far and away better team than say, a kansas city or florida? if the devil rays were playing at the same level as the mfy's wouldn't you consider that as much of a failure on the part of new york as it would be a success for tampa bay? the problem here, however, is not that the pirates or royals are playing at such a high level so as to compete for a division championship, but rather that the cubs are playing so poorly that they are (un)competing for last place. i, for one, would say that it is a greater failure for the cubs to have the record they have than it is for the royals.

Simple-they can just go 64-30 from this day forward. No problem, dude. You see, our manager was on deck when Aaron hit 715, so he's a great manager. :lol: i mean, once we have prior, wood and lee healthy at the same time... oh wait. that's never going to happen. :cry:

so then, what don't you blame the trib for?

i'm sorry, but we aren't better than the royals. if the royals had the same payroll as the cubs they would have a better record than us.

how is that even mathematically possible?

brandon inge has 15 homeruns?

iirc, blanco usually catches prior anyway.

by far the cubs. those other teams would maybe compete with our payroll.

jock walk! woo-hoo

mmmm. not a good look.

does zambrano still look tired and unexcited?

am i the only one who thinks this is purely a pr move?

i'm sure that dusty knows the game is over. why waste a good pitcher you might need tomorrow? hahaha, that's probably the first time i've ever defended dusty

why does dunn always bat in the oddest spots in the lineup? i would much rather hit him 3rd and griffey 5th than vice versa.

The more amazing part is that somehow we ALL managed to post in just 2 pages. Amazing. cub fans are ninjas, you didn't know?

I would prefer a little personal responsibility. I assume he can get work in the bullpen between appearances. There is no excuse for 3 walks in 4 batters. because work in the bullpen is the same as being in a game?

it would be nice if, after the cubs lose, dempster came out and publically blamed baker for this because he didn't get him into a game this whole week. it won't happen, but all there needs to be is one. think about it ryan, a practical joke ALL CUB FANS can laugh at.