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I'm pretty sure they built in a shock collar to his shoulder brace. No worries.

20-6, that feels pretty nice. :stickman:

I had tickets to the Pacers-Heat game tonight. I sure wish I had not wasted the gas money to drive down to that abomination of a game. It was bad enough seeing the Pacers just get curb stomped from the opening tip, what made it even worse was the mind-blowing amount of people sporting Heat gear. Seriously, I think 80% of the people in my section were cheering for Miami. Indy is such a bandwagon town. #-o

Both teams are trying to build a brick house in the first half, haha.

That Illinois team was damn good though, I don't know that it mattered what Bruce said there. Not that I'm even sure that pregame speeches matter than much. It is interesting how Michigan does it now, I notice they have some assistant coach handle the pregame speeches instead of the head coach. Whether it matters or not, I don't know. Prolly not, but good lord. "five fingers don't hurt, but together they make a fist. Take these four together and.... Make a fist and hit them. It's the most powerful." pan to Luther trying not laugh. And I'm resigned to the fact we will never have another season like that. Why couldn't UNC let us get one? Bastards. I did in fact want Illinois to win that game. I wanted to see Roy's non-title streak continue. Oh well.

That Illinois team was damn good though, I don't know that it mattered what Bruce said there. Not that I'm even sure that pregame speeches matter than much. It is interesting how Michigan does it now, I notice they have some assistant coach handle the pregame speeches instead of the head coach. Whether it matters or not, I don't know.

To me the best I've seen Purdue do in my lifetime was the 3-peat years and yeah, I think at least one of those was recalled after the fact by the Clay violations but still, Purdue at that time was nasty. Not pretty, but they won games. I had courtside seats when Chad Austin hit the floater to beat Indiana in overtime in 1996-97...and I had pretty good seats when Jaraan Cornell basically beat IU in overtime in 1998-99...I think IU ended up winning 2 out of 5 in Bloomington when I went to school there. We beat Purdue my freshman year when Charlie Miller pulled some crazy dunk out his behind and then Recker's freshman year we won...otherwise I think that is it. I'm still fairly bitter about IU's performance when I was actually on campus. Eh.

It also seems that the most obnoxious IU fans were either not alive the last time they won a championship, or at best were small children. edit: we should do a poll of the IU fans! How old were you guys in 1987? I remember the 1987 team quite well. Which is to say, I remember most of Purdue's disappointing early exits under Keady too. The Cheaney teams were pretty damn good too, the slippage under Knight didn't really start until 1993-94 and even then, that team made the Sweet 16. Once the Patterson/Reed/Miller/Hodgson class hit town, it was all downhilll from there. * - although technically I don't think Hodgson even played a game for IU, he transfered to Rutgers IIRC. I was 7 and don't remember crap about either Purdue or IU basketball as a 7 year old. You get my point though. Princeton has 28 National Championships in Football, you think anyone cares about those anymore? That is kind of an extreme example though. IU has won the hoops title 3 times in my lifetime. The 1981 game I might have watched but I don't remember it. I was 5 at that time and I do remember Reagan getting shot that day and I'm 100% sure my dad & brother watched the IU-UNC game that night but I have no memory of it. I was 11 when IU beat Syracuse but I basically watched every game that season. Keady vs RMK ended up basically a draw anyways. Most of Purdue's margin in the head-to-head series was from pre-WWII days so really you are just arguing in a circle man, lol.

First, IU has finished dead last for one year running in basketball (last -- next to last -- last over the previous three seasons). Second, as to IU's punishment -- which was deserved -- please compare and contrast the infractions and on-court/field repurcussions for Memphis basketball, Ohio State basketball, USC football, Ohio State football, etc. I think you'll find IU suffered severely for its sin -- and more severely for some more egregious infractions. (Lest we also not forget that Purdue was not banned from post-season play for arranging an improper $4,000 loan to a recruit.) Sorry, thanks for correcting my statement. IU has only averaged the worst finish in the league over those years, while finishing last most of the time. Also, you're bringing up one isolated issue from 1995? Really? I mean it's only been 17 years and it pales in comparisson to Sampson and what IU wilfully brought on themselves. Ostensibly paying a player to secure his commitment pales in comparison to hiring a coach that makes too many phone calls (then that coach making too many phone calls)? Sorry, can't agree. Further, the Sampson debacle was the one infraction IU has had in the modern era of basketball. IU had been the cleanest (competitive) major college basketball team for over a half century. The hiring of Sampson was the anomaly, not the norm. I'm just dissapointed we allegedly cheated to get Luther Clay instead of Eric Gordon. Even at that, Luther basically did nothing for Purdue and ended up at Rhode Island where he almost got them in the Final Four? I seem to recall them making the Elite Eight his senior year...or maybe it was the Sweet Sixteen.

I lose at least 2 or 3 hours of sleep each night thinking about that tbh. I imagine you just think about the last three years basketball team and it puts you right back to sleep. No, actually I watch one of Bruce's fiery pregame speeches and it does the trick. Lol touché. "Well guys, um we beat Wisconsin in Madison two years ago so...yeah let's do that again."

It also seems that the most obnoxious IU fans were either not alive the last time they won a championship, or at best were small children. edit: we should do a poll of the IU fans! How old were you guys in 1987? I remember the 1987 team quite well. Which is to say, I remember most of Purdue's disappointing early exits under Keady too. The Cheaney teams were pretty damn good too, the slippage under Knight didn't really start until 1993-94 and even then, that team made the Sweet 16. Once the Patterson/Reed/Miller/Hodgson class hit town, it was all downhilll from there. * - although technically I don't think Hodgson even played a game for IU, he transfered to Rutgers IIRC.

I lose at least 2 or 3 hours of sleep each night thinking about that tbh. I imagine you just think about the last three years basketball team and it puts you right back to sleep. No, actually I watch one of Bruce's fiery pregame speeches and it does the trick.

I lose at least 2 or 3 hours of sleep each night thinking about that tbh.

Worth it to secure Harris's commitment. Do you think Tom Crean showing up to see him unexpectedly, like a freakish stalker, had a negative impact? The real question is will Purdue beat Indiana again in this decade? I'm not too sure about that one. :-k Well, if you look at the numbers Purdue hasn't had much difficulty beating Indiana throughout the series. Hell, IU could win every game for the rest of the decade and Purdue would still have the series lead. Whatever helps you get through 2020, I hope it works for you bro. :good:

Worth it to secure Harris's commitment. Do you think Tom Crean showing up to see him unexpectedly, like a freakish stalker, had a negative impact? The real question is will Purdue beat Indiana again in this decade? I'm not too sure about that one. :-k i'm beginning to wonder if indiana will have a letdown game this year. i don't see it. Maybe Illinois and Purdue can duke it out in the NIT championship.

Worth it to secure Harris's commitment. Do you think Tom Crean showing up to see him unexpectedly, like a freakish stalker, had a negative impact? The real question is will Purdue beat Indiana again in this decade? I'm not too sure about that one. :-k

First, IU has finished dead last for one year running in basketball (last -- next to last -- last over the previous three seasons). Second, as to IU's punishment -- which was deserved -- please compare and contrast the infractions and on-court/field repurcussions for Memphis basketball, Ohio State basketball, USC football, Ohio State football, etc. I think you'll find IU suffered severely for its sin -- and more severely for some more egregious infractions. (Lest we also not forget that Purdue was not banned from post-season play for arranging an improper $4,000 loan to a recruit.) Honestly, it wasn't Indiana's NCAA punishment that brought the program down. It was the fact that none of Sampson's players were willing to stick around and play for Crean. All those guys quit or got kicked off the team. If Bassett, Crawford, Ellis, etc all came back, it would have certainly eased the transition process for Crean. He would not have been required to do a mad, last minute recruiting scramble just to field a team in 2008-09. The self-imposed punishment is part and parcel to the NCAA's punishment; I don't think you can separate those two things. The NCAA almost certainly came down softer on IU because of IU's actions in rectifying their awful, unforgivable mistake. IU sinned and has suffered; it's pretty difficult to make a claim otherwise. No. The NCAA ruling had nothing to do with those players deciding they didn't want to go to class or quit or whatever. They could have turned over a new leaf under Crean and banded together. They chose not to.

No, what I was saying is the players left AFTER the NCAA punishment. The NCAA ruling by itself didn't cause IU to start over, it was Sampson's collection of miscreants quitting that did that. I'm not at all arguing the NCAA did the right thing either way.

First, IU has finished dead last for one year running in basketball (last -- next to last -- last over the previous three seasons). Second, as to IU's punishment -- which was deserved -- please compare and contrast the infractions and on-court/field repurcussions for Memphis basketball, Ohio State basketball, USC football, Ohio State football, etc. I think you'll find IU suffered severely for its sin -- and more severely for some more egregious infractions. (Lest we also not forget that Purdue was not banned from post-season play for arranging an improper $4,000 loan to a recruit.) Honestly, it wasn't Indiana's NCAA punishment that brought the program down. It was the fact that none of Sampson's players were willing to stick around and play for Crean. All those guys quit or got kicked off the team. If Bassett, Crawford, Ellis, etc all came back, it would have certainly eased the transition process for Crean. He would not have been required to do a mad, last minute recruiting scramble just to field a team in 2008-09.

And Iowa!! REMARKABLE IU has finished dead last in both major sports for what, four years running? They didn't do anything fast. If the NCAA had balls the penalties for IUs cheating would've lasted longer. Let's not forget the basketball program was in the dumps because they hired a known cheater, and he *gasp* cheated again. For starting over with only two glorified waterboys as the only returning players, I would say 4 years is a fairly quick timeframe to get back to this point. The football team is almost always in the cellar so that isn't exactly breaking news.

I must admit that is an epic post. :hello:

I have to admit one thing, seeing Joe Buck in IU gear made me cringe. #-o

u mad bro?