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Zambrano can let his emotions get the better of him and deck Michael Barrett, but fans are supposed to sit on their hands the entire game and show zero emotion. Zambrano is the prince of emotion, in line to succeed Ron Santo as king. Cardinal fans were dead wrong to boo any part of their 11 run blowout yesterday, too. If only the fans would have cheered louder at each fundamental blow up, the Cardinal players would have seized the moment and scored 12 runs to come back and win the game. It doesn't work that way. Fans pay money to show some emotion at the game. They all prefer to cheer the whole game. And they don't boo when someone boots a ground ball. Boot 4 or 5 ground balls and yeah, you're going to hear displeasure. It's the nature of the beast. Well when you do it to an emotional guy like Zambrano (which incidentally is what makes him both great and awful), who is sensitive, it's only natural he's confused about the intent of fans. If i was cheered one day, had 4 years of being one of the best players on the team, and then I was booed because of one up or down year, I'd think fans were selfish too. And I'd be right. No you wouldnt be. Z is emotional, and right now in the heat of the pennant race when Z is needed more than ever hes pitching like Kip Wells, he would be a fool to think the fans arent going to show their emotion just like they would with him if he was pitching great. Z cant have it both ways. Its either ok to be emotional during the heat of a game, or its not. Its a 2 way street here. Well it's obvious that Z cares. It's obvious he was hurt yesterday. Not all players are thick skinned. If you want the Cubs to win, we NEED Z. Crushing his spirit when we need him the most won't be productive. But go ahead and think your right to boo is principled. It's as hypocritical as it gets, so enjoy it. How is that hypocritical? Most fans aren't sophisticated enough to go through an analysis of what consequences their actions will have on a player. In fact, I would guess most fans don't care. It is the nature of the beast. If there is one player that should understand that emotions sometimes get the best of people, I would think it would be Zambrano. Exactly thats been my biggest problem with all of this.

Zambrano can let his emotions get the better of him and deck Michael Barrett, but fans are supposed to sit on their hands the entire game and show zero emotion. Zambrano is the prince of emotion, in line to succeed Ron Santo as king. Cardinal fans were dead wrong to boo any part of their 11 run blowout yesterday, too. If only the fans would have cheered louder at each fundamental blow up, the Cardinal players would have seized the moment and scored 12 runs to come back and win the game. It doesn't work that way. Fans pay money to show some emotion at the game. They all prefer to cheer the whole game. And they don't boo when someone boots a ground ball. Boot 4 or 5 ground balls and yeah, you're going to hear displeasure. It's the nature of the beast. Well when you do it to an emotional guy like Zambrano (which incidentally is what makes him both great and awful), who is sensitive, it's only natural he's confused about the intent of fans. If i was cheered one day, had 4 years of being one of the best players on the team, and then I was booed because of one up or down year, I'd think fans were selfish too. And I'd be right. No you wouldnt be. Z is emotional, and right now in the heat of the pennant race when Z is needed more than ever hes pitching like Kip Wells, he would be a fool to think the fans arent going to show their emotion just like they would with him if he was pitching great. Z cant have it both ways. Its either ok to be emotional during the heat of a game, or its not. Its a 2 way street here. Well it's obvious that Z cares. It's obvious he was hurt yesterday. Not all players are thick skinned. If you want the Cubs to win, we NEED Z. Crushing his spirit when we need him the most won't be productive. But go ahead and think your right to boo is principled. It's as hypocritical as it gets, so enjoy it. Id say thats exactly what hes done to the Cubs fans since the ASB. We all know Z cares, but for him to think its ok for him to be emotional during a game, but the fans arent allowed to is the biggest hypocricy there is in all of this. Z talked a real big game before the year, proclaiming Cy Young awards and playoffs and then came out and fell on his face. He then got in a fight with a teammate in front of all the cameras, and proclaimed it was a new season, and suddenly he pitches good again. He then says the contract hanging over his head was bothering him a little, and now that its done he will be good Z again. Well we are still waiting for that to happen. Its time for Z to just shut his mouth, take the ball every 5th day, and be the ace that he was signed to be. No more talking, no more fighting, just go out and get results.

Zambrano can let his emotions get the better of him and deck Michael Barrett, but fans are supposed to sit on their hands the entire game and show zero emotion. Zambrano is the prince of emotion, in line to succeed Ron Santo as king. Cardinal fans were dead wrong to boo any part of their 11 run blowout yesterday, too. If only the fans would have cheered louder at each fundamental blow up, the Cardinal players would have seized the moment and scored 12 runs to come back and win the game. It doesn't work that way. Fans pay money to show some emotion at the game. They all prefer to cheer the whole game. And they don't boo when someone boots a ground ball. Boot 4 or 5 ground balls and yeah, you're going to hear displeasure. It's the nature of the beast. Well when you do it to an emotional guy like Zambrano (which incidentally is what makes him both great and awful), who is sensitive, it's only natural he's confused about the intent of fans. If i was cheered one day, had 4 years of being one of the best players on the team, and then I was booed because of one up or down year, I'd think fans were selfish too. And I'd be right. No you wouldnt be. Z is emotional, and right now in the heat of the pennant race when Z is needed more than ever hes pitching like Kip Wells, he would be a fool to think the fans arent going to show their emotion just like they would with him if he was pitching great. Z cant have it both ways. Its either ok to be emotional during the heat of a game, or its not. Its a 2 way street here.

Zambrano can let his emotions get the better of him and deck Michael Barrett, but fans are supposed to sit on their hands the entire game and show zero emotion. Zambrano is the prince of emotion, in line to succeed Ron Santo as king. Cardinal fans were dead wrong to boo any part of their 11 run blowout yesterday, too. If only the fans would have cheered louder at each fundamental blow up, the Cardinal players would have seized the moment and scored 12 runs to come back and win the game. It doesn't work that way. Fans pay money to show some emotion at the game. They all prefer to cheer the whole game. And they don't boo when someone boots a ground ball. Boot 4 or 5 ground balls and yeah, you're going to hear displeasure. It's the nature of the beast. Exactly its hypocritical of Z to be pissed at the fans for showing their emotion on their sleeve during the heat of the game. Its not like this is one bad start or hell even 2 or 3. His post All Star Break rivals Kip Wells.

This is, once again, wrong. You are saying he's prone to bottoming out more than most pitchers, but you fail to realize over the duration of his first four seasons no starting pitcher was as consistently good as he was. Here in his fifth season he has struggled, so he's always been prone to being bad. When in fact the first four years he WAS ONE of the best in the league. You're saying his struggles are because of his attitude when he's already shown an ability to succeed for four seasons with the same attitude, so it's quite apparent that his attitude have very little to do with his 4.35 ERA. It probably has more to do with the health of his arm, his decrease in velocity this season and his struggling command which is more than likely a byproduct of his lack of arm health. Of course, we can bitch and moan and say it's his attitude, when it's really not a problem and has never been a problem. It's his arm and health. His velocity has been fine for awhile. He consistently hit 96 yesterday.

Good times. Yea when he pointed at his head alot of people in the gamethread took it as "I know I sucked, my bad" but thats not what he meant at all. He said he doesnt deserve to be bood, and thought the Cubs had the best fans in baseball, but now he sees they only think of themselves. wow Just shut up and pitch Z, how bout you do that. Hate to call you out on this but in the Trachsel thread didn't you say he was just inconsistent? Jason Marquis is inconsistent something is wrong when you sign a 90 million contract and can't win in over a month. wether it is a physical problem or mental a good benching is what he needs. Z struggled terribly the first 2 months than got good for 2 months and now has been bad for 1 month, is that not inconsistency? Odds are still very much in his favor that he turns it around.

And Z should expect the same from the fans, hes got to take the good with the bad.

Agreed, I hope this "event' has the same effect that the Barret thing did.

Z had over 2 hours to be pissed off before his press conference. Plenty of time to blow off some steam, and say what Kip Wells said. Instead Z decided to go the different route. Please. Did he hurt your feelings? Please, its not about hurting my feelings its about being a Pro. I'm sure you know a lot about that. You and everyone else cannot have it both ways. Lots of people love the firey fist pumping Z after a K. Or the hustling Z who tried to get to every ball. Or the Z who says, "I have to give it up to God, becuase without him I'd be screwed". Well this is the same guy. He's emotional. The only difference is he's emotional after a loss instead of a win. You have to take the good with the bad. Exactly and the fans were emotional yesterday as well and Z has to be able to take the good with the bad, he of all people should know what its like to be emotional. Ill also add that Cubs fans were acting in the heat of the moment just as Z does all the time. However Z's press conference was 2 hours later and by then he should have been able to forget about it, put it past him, and not make the comments like he did.

Z had over 2 hours to be pissed off before his press conference. Plenty of time to blow off some steam, and say what Kip Wells said. Instead Z decided to go the different route. Please. Did he hurt your feelings? Please, its not about hurting my feelings its about being a Pro, and not acting like a baby because his feelings were hurt by being boo'd. If he doesnt want boo'd shut up and pitch better plain and simple. Z's mouth has done a lot of talking, and he hasnt backed up any of it.

Z had over 2 hours to be pissed off before his press conference. Plenty of time to blow off some steam, and say what Kip Wells said. Instead Z decided to go the different route.

Ill say this again, why does Z feel its ok for him to show his emotions and be emotional when he pitches, but its not ok to him when the fans show the same emotion, be it positive or negative? I also find it interesting that Kip Wells was boo'd in Stl and he said he expected it, and the fans pay money to see the game and have every right to boo, but our "ace" says its selfish and doesnt understand it. Well Z, when your 2nd half rivals that of Kip Wells you cant really expect love, at least Kip Wells understands this and expectations for him are nowhere near what they are for Z.

I guess his view and my view is different. This isnt the 1st time hes struggled in a playoff race.

And those Yankee fans were correctly labeled idiots by most of the rational world. Do you think Cubs fans are idiots for boo'ing Z? Z has done nothing close in the Majors to compare at all to what Arods done. Not idiots, but definitely selfish like Z said. I think people have a right to be selfish when they are spending their money to see a game. I suppose it's also selfish of me to hope a movie is good when I spend $8 to go to the theater. And it's selfish to expect good food when I go to a restaurant. Consider us all selfish! Do you boo your waiter if he drops a plate of your food? Z obviously realizes he didn't pitch well, which means booing just boils down to the fans trying to make themselves feel better. Or it means fans are emotional while at the game. Z is allowed to be emotional while pitching why arent the fans while watching?

what are they supposed to do though really? Standing O when he leaves from another terrible outing? Clap? I really dont know what the alternatives were, and its not like all 40000 there were booing, id say it was a very low percentage as it didnt come across tv well at all. let's not be foolish and suggest that i may believe a standing ovation to be appropriate. i would do nothing and be sad that my team is losing and playing poorly. zambrano (or whatever player is struggling) probably isn't going to benefit from being boo'd. that's just my opinion. if old people at the complexes i mow were to stand around and boo everytime i missed a spot while weedeating, i would probably get nervous and only get worse. that's me, though. I wasnt trying to make you sound foolish at all.

what are they supposed to do though really? Standing O when he leaves from another terrible outing? Clap? I really dont know what the alternatives were, and its not like all 40000 there were booing, id say it was a very low percentage as it didnt come across tv well at all.

I think its really funny that a pitcher who is known for showing his emotions on the field, like Z, is upset with fans for showing their emotions.

And those Yankee fans were correctly labeled idiots by most of the rational world. Do you think Cubs fans are idiots for boo'ing Z? Z has done nothing close in the Majors to compare at all to what Arods done. Not idiots, but definitely selfish like Z said. How are they selfish by wanting HIM to do good so the TEAM wins?

I I cant believe it took you 4 pages to respond lol

And those Yankee fans were correctly labeled idiots by most of the rational world. Do you think Cubs fans are idiots for boo'ing Z? Z has done nothing close in the Majors to compare at all to what Arods done.

What a way to have your 1st start with a new team. Lets hope Trachsel keeps us in this one because I can see alot of K's for us against Penny.

And Ill tell you this, Z has had it soooooo easy in Chicago. If he played in New York, Boston, maybe even LA, the stuff hes said and done would be even more of an issue. The Chicago media is soft, and so are the fans. It takes alot for Cubs fans to boo, its not like this was his 1st bad outing.

Exactly Raw, Z has brought on all this himself.

He was consistently at 94-96 today.

You know the Chicago media is going to have a hey day with this. The only way for this to die is Z to start pitching like the ace he was signed to be.