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still counts as a sack, hilariously.

there it is. hop hop hop hop hop hop hop sack fumble

Looks like he got his toes tapped to me. FIelds' accuracy looks better than last week.

"generational" is a dumb word that has been completely shredded by arbitrary use. Williams is, however, a zero-doubt 1.1 in this draft and the best QB prospect we're likely to see in a stretch that lasts 4-6 years between Lawrence and the near future.

My first reaction was obviously yes. Two firsts for a 25-year-old borderline top-5 QB? But our two firsts this year are more like 4-5 generic firsts. I'd still probably do it but it's close.

That's a valid argument

I think that it's one heck of a coincidence that that is the only game you saw. https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Caleb-Williams-QB-USC "His play doesn't drop off when under pressure - made an array of quality passes while trying to avoid a heavy pass rush" https://www.profootballnetwork.com/caleb-williams-draft-scouting-2024/ "Routinely compensated for a mediocre offensive line and receiving corps by identifying incoming blitzes, hot reads, and extending plays when needed." https://www.nfl.com/news/scouting-caleb-williams-usc-quarterback-similar-in-style-skill-set-to-bills-josh "Most quarterbacks exhibit some level of panic versus free pass rushers, but Williams sees those moments as playmaking opportunities." He's just not the player some bears fans have convinced themselves he is .

Caleb Williams has somehow become criminally underrated by the alliance of people who don't want to admit they were always wrong about fields, bears fans who are scared of being disappointed, and people who just get bored when the no. 1 pick is clear this far in advance. It's the same WSCR-level hot taking that had people saying "golly this Peyton Manning fellow is supposed to be amazing but he could only put up 131 yards against Nebraska in the Orange Bowl? I just don't see what's so great." I can't even figure out what the actual complaint is. His stats are excellent again this season. I don't think many people are *actually* stupid enough to care about his college W-L, they just know they don't like him and feel like they have to parrot any criticism they can think of. What looked off? He consistently showed fantastic pocket poise, an unbelievable ability to make hard and accurate throws without needing to reset his feet, and an excellent ability to throw in rhythm with a quick release. Everything you want to see from a pro prospect at QB. He will need to prove he can speed up to pro-level operation, which is true of every college quarterback, but unlike Justin Fields he's given scouts zero reason to doubt his ability to make that transition. If for some reason someone wants to make the case to never take a sub-Elway/Manning level QB because they think the value is always better to trade down, I can respect that argument even if I disagree with it. Williams isn't quite that level, even though he's going to end up being the best qb prospect to hit the draft in a 4-5 year span starting post-lawrence. But just not being sure if you like him as a prospect? I literally can't figure out what they're looking at and have to believe it's based on nothing about him.

There's almost nothing similar about Justin fields and Caleb Williams and it's bizarre that people keep insisting there is. Fields has prototypical size and elite speed. Williams is small and has functional speed. Fields is by far at his best passing in the pocket. Williams is at his best out of the pocket. Williams has elite accuracy, fields has a pretty good deep ball accuracy but is inconsistent and low-rater accuracy in general. Williams is known for his great pocket presence and ability to make plays with a blitz or rush in his face. Fields is known to struggle with the blitz and move into pass rushers. Literally the only similarity is that their plays tend to take a long time and they take sacks (actually to be fair they both are a bit loose with ball security when taking hits too). But they get to it by completely different ways. It's like saying a low-bb hacker with a lot of Ks and a three-true outcome guy who works counts are the same. If you just don't like Caleb Williams and want a downside comp, I think Kyler Murray makes a lot of sense. But doggedly comparing him to fields is just refusing to look at their actual play. Maye is more similar to fields than Williams is

I think falling in love with more assets is a fantastic approach. Unfortunately getting out of QB hell takes precedence

Second-tier QB prospects are obscure upset picks in March madness. Everyone has one they like, most of them are going to easily fail, but one of them will probably succeed and the people who had it will be excited to say they told you so. I'm sure someone out of the Nix, McCarty, Daniels, Penix, Beck, Ewers pile will become a good QB. I'm not eager to try to guess which one unless we don't have better options

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090917-jayden-daniels-nfl-draft-2024-scouting-report-for-lsu-qb He's Justin fields with hopefully less processing issues but also a noticeably worse arm.

Whereas "lets skimp on QB" went great for the bears from 1986 to 2017ish

We have Justin fields at home

Watching the every throw video, I have to think fields thumb isn't 100%. He's always graded at below-average accuracy but it usually isn't that bad

He's less valuable to his new team when he's missed training camp and half a season. You'd literally be holding a depreciating asset for no reason. Just sign a vet to hold the seat warm

If fields plays well down the stretch, I think you can scam someone for a first. Just takes one sucker. I wouldn't if I were Atlanta though. Fields isn't the guy you want if you have a ton of playmakers and just need someone to distribute the ball to them. If you want fields, it should be because you have nothing and need a guy who can make plays for himself by himself

I don't think it's actually going to happen, but every time they win we get to play "imagine if they ran the table to 9-8" for another week, which is more fun than rooting for losses

If it's such a well-agreed on take, I don't have to see any more posts about his passer rating, right? He's 21st in any/a and 27th in success rate

It was a pass play and it was entirely his fault. You can find it at 6:55 here Vikings showed blitz but dropped into max protect and only rushed 3. Fields got confused and stood in the pocket forever before the pressure finally got to him and he ran a bit before eating the sack a full 7 seconds after the snap.

I would say that's narrowly within the range of dumb the Bears are capable of, so possibly.

I'll continue to insist that Fields is great at hiding his flaws in ways that don't show up in passer rating and box score stats. He's like the old 1970s sluggers that had 80 RBIs with a .280 OBP.

Like raw said, Fields is 100% a pocket passer. He's not amazing at throwing on the run (not terrible at it either, but accuracy can definitely be an issue on those throws) and he lacks the pocket awareness to consistently get outside it positively. He's a pocket passer who happens to have elite straight-line speed if you leave a gap for him up the middle.

Fields still had a sack rate of 8.3% for the game and it should have been higher. He's still doing all the things that screw over the rest of the team that don't show up on his stat line, which is why I don't care when his stat line is adequate. Hop hop hop hop hop hop hop holding call doesn't hurt his stat line. World's slowest dropback and release into a slant means Moore has to make a catch with a defender draped all over him instead of with a chance to use his elite YAC ability. I'm willing to call the game adequate because he made enough plays for himself to get it done, especially when the defense kept giving him the ball back, but he's still a job-killer who is going to keep having almost everyone in the offensive meetings with him leaving town with a worse reputation than they arrived with. Good luck to whoever he's starting for next year, and if it's us then we deserve the Jordan Love-led playoff shellacking we'll get after a defense-fueled 10-7 season.

I'm not joking when I say I know it's extremely unlikely but I don't think running the table is completely impossible. Of course so is losing out. There's a ton of mediocrity in the NFL and we are part of it.