Hairyducked Idiot
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If we get to re-write prospect ratings for hindsight, let's wait until this group has played through at least a few years before we make any sort of comparisons at all.
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I agree. I don't know why it's so hard for people to give the early-2000s system its due. But for some reason, "Everything is different and magical now" is a narrative that must be driven.
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The convenient part is the "hey, there's a difference, so obviously there's no way they could possibly be considered comparable." Lots of differences. They were both the top farm system in the game. That's the important part, the rest is details.
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ur wrong which part? It is a cautionary tale and while this farm system is a bit better, the early 2000s one was awfully close.
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I try to avoid thinking too much about prospect lists because holy hell I am so sick of them. I only take notice if it's bad news because bad news is fun.
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ur wrong
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The convenient part is the "hey, there's a difference, so obviously there's no way they could possibly be considered comparable."
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Is there? A good chunk of that first class hinged on pitching prospects. Sure, that's a difference. If you look hard enough, you can always find differences. But in total quality, it was completely comparable.
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considering the two guys who were really in that tier weren't actually busts and one of them was immediately an elite player, i'm not sure what your point is. but i like how you didn't address that what you said 5 minutes ago was completely wrong and you pulled it out of your ass. I looked at Soler on Baseball-Reference. It's not updated for this year. I didn't think much of it.
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So like 10 spots between Soler and Choi means everything is super-different and not even a little comparable? lol
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I mean, I like Soler plenty. But there's some revisionist history going on too to try to differentiate very comparable piles of prospects.
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Corey Patterson, Juan Cruz, Hee Seop Choi, Mark Prior. Did you miss the f pitchers part? And what am I missing with him continually bringing up Choi? Who was ranking Choi like David is talking about? Didn't he top out in the 20's? Higher than Soler, whom I think was being included in the current group.
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Corey Patterson, Juan Cruz, Hee Seop Choi, Mark Prior. Did you miss the f pitchers part? I practically invented it.
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Corey Patterson, Juan Cruz, Hee Seop Choi, Mark Prior.
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It's definitely not a bad thing.
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Maybe I'm an idiot who is screwing with people? Sure, it was a special combination of incompetence and bad luck that caused that generation of prospects to flame out so hard, but every guy I listed was No. 68 or higher on the 2002 BA list. And the kneejerk reaction is always that prospect lists were totally dumb back then and are super-smart now, but here's some guys who have been top 100 since 2012: 32. Brett Jackson 64. Matt Szczur 83. Arodys Vizcaino 100. Christian Villanueva Pierce Johnson's about one bad season from joining that list as well. And yes, I know, Theo Epstein is a magical prospect whisperer so obviously it's different. Here are some guys who were top-100 for Boston from 2009-2011: 17. Lars Anderson 21. Ryan Westmoreland * 24. Casey Kelley 67. Anthony Ranaudo 83. Michael Bowden The early 2000s Cubs system was completely amazeballs awesome, and it busted out. That doesn't mean that this one will bust out, but it's revisionist history to act like it wasn't the best system in baseball for a three-year period.
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lol at you attempting to portray that group as remotely comparable. LOL at an entire generation of fans pretending they *weren't* comparable.
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If Baez flames out he will be the biggest bust I can remember. Way bigger than Paterson. It will be a failure of epic proportions. I don't think he will be a bust in the formal definition like Vitters, I think he kick around the league for several years ala Ronny Cedeno. Patterson was the #2 prospect in all of baseball. And he actually had some success in the majors. Baez will be just like every other huge power/huge strikeout prospect that has ever existed. I didnt Patterson was ranked that high. Patterson was the great hope. Holy [expletive], I thought he was going to be amazing. That whole prospect class. Sure, Dave Kelton or Hee Seop Choi or Bobby Hill or Nic Jackson might bust, but they can't all bust.
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If anyone is the Heir of Vitters, it's Almora.
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I think the government should distribute existing porn involving divisional rivals being bent over non-consensually, therefore satiating the need to see it but preventing any future abuses.
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I have a lot of them on ignore, too. But I usually can't resist looking anyway.
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Jorge Soler is going to help the Cubs defeat other teams in baseball games.
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2014-2015 Chicago Bulls Regular Season
Hairyducked Idiot replied to SpongeWorthy's topic in Other Sports
Me in August: it's almost football season Me in October: it's almost basketball season Me in February: it's almost baseball season We're like one Blackhawks major injury away from the Cubs being the best team in Chicago. -
So basically, a baseball player is having trouble drumming up a market. He's got one team clearly interested. When it seems like he's dragged this out to a final offer with them, suddenly a new team or two are said to be interested. Standard. He's going to the Padres.
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PECOTA thinks the Padres are a game better than the Cubs.