We're getting way too technical here. I am not trying to knock Rodgers, because the guy is a great QB. I'm simply stating that at some point the guy has to take it upon himself to win games if he's going to be among the elite. You can't always rely on a FG kicker or defense to win you a game; sometimes you just have to put the ball in the endzone yourself. By blaming teammates for losing games, you could argue that with a better O-Line and WRs, Cutler could be an elite QB, but no one considers him even close to that. You have to find a way to win and pickup your teammates, and Rodgers has had chances to do that. You could replace every football term in this post with one from baseball and it would look like the same nonsense argument about a pitcher who has great stats but doesn't have as many wins as other guys not being elite. I am not trying to knock Felix Hernandez, because the guy is a great pitcher. I'm simply stating that at some point the guy has to take it upon himself to win games if he's going to be among the elite. You can't always rely on a your offense to score runs or defense to catch the ball to win you a game; sometimes you just have to get guys out yourself. You could but it wouldn't make any sense. Not that I fully agree with CBM, but you can't take the statistical approach to baseball that you take to football. I'm open to reading anything and appreciate the effort but the sabermetric mindset can not work in football.