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Question of the week: grade the trade deadline
Rcal10 replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Same as the previous 2 posts. C-. Oops, bertz beat me to it with a D. So not the same as the previous 2. But C-, none the less. -
Jed left the Cubs a solid starter short. There is no way around that. He should have done a better job knowing the cost and accepting it. I am fine with the pen arms and happy with Castro. Had he even gotten Kelly, I would have considered the deadline a good one. Now we have to hope guys last the season and even then, when the playoffs do start, most likely our pitcher will not be the same level as the guy we face. Doesn’t mean they can’t pitch well. Doesn’t mean the Cubs can’t win. But it would feel better if going in we at least had one more quality starter.
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I think currently the bench will be back up catcher, Castro, Turner and Berti The pen will be Theilbar, Pomoranz, Rogers, Palencia, Brasier, Keller, Kittredge and Brown. Rotation of Imanaga, Boyd, Soroka, Rea and Horton. When Assad comes back, Rea to the pen and Assad in the rotation. Brown goes to Iowa. When Taillon comes back he is in the rotation and Horton goes down to limit innings. One possible change would be if Pomoranz struggles he will be released and Horton or Brown will be in the pen. I think Horton will still be here for the Milwaukee series and get one of those 5 games.
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Agree. Well said. Doesn’t help for this year, but I honestly do not think people would have been happy at the cost for Keller, let alone guys one or two tiers above him.
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I think the miss was just not realizing the prices wouldn’t go down. The player they missed on, to me, was Bednar. But we don’t know what the cost would have been to the Cubs. In the end the Cubs do appear to have a solid pen. And IF Assad and Taillon come back the rotation is at least decent. I would guess Rea, Brown and Horton all are out of the rotation at that time (Horton for innings limit). Depending on how the last 1/3 of the season goes maybe they can monitor Boyd’s innings a little better. Also, if they can limit Horton soon enough, maybe he can pitch in the playoffs too.
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Well said. I agree. No matter the outcome at the deadline this was always going to be a bitch session.
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Stratos, to be clear, even at a 30% chance of signing him that still leave a 70% chance he doesn’t sign. So you will probably be right that he won’t be a Cub. I just think it isn’t a forgone conclusion by the FO and ownership that they won’t even “seriously try” to get him. I think they will go to the mega year, mega millions offers others will be offering. I do not think they will limit the offer to 7 years when others are offering 10+. Frankly I don’t care about past examples. Those example is not a comparison. They didn’t go after Soto because they wanted Tucker. They did go big on Ohtani, even though there really was no hope there. Any other FA years ago has no bearing on what can happen now. He is the first guy who is in this team who the Cubs can try to keep as opposed as try to get. I think that is a difference. In the end, even I don’t have the Cubs signing him. I just differ in my belief about them trying and I do have some hope.
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Agree. Brown down first then Horton. I think Soroka starts from the go. Brown to the pen once they can arrange the rotation.
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Yes, if people want to criticize Jed for not understanding thr cost and the fact he had to overpay, I agree. But I don’t think anything they decided to do or not do now has any reflection on their view on signing Tucker. Jed should have known the cost and figured out a way to make more happen.
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I don’t. I think the controlled starting pitcher ask was just way too high. Reports had Keller costing Cassie+. What do you think others cost. Miami guys may have been Cassie and Wiggins. Gore or Ryan might have cost Horton and Shaw with Rojas. Maybe more. If that is the case, Jed was right not to trade for any of them. And it had nothing to do with the FO’s confidence in signing Tucker next year. Jed’s mistake was for some reason he thought the price of a controlled starter would go down. And it never did. He should have never aimed that high and should have been happy getting Morton or Kelly.
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I think they have the best chance of signing him compared to any other team. That said. Still not exactly 50/50. To suggest 1%, as you did earlier is just being angry to be angry and negative. He has played her a year. He has seen what being a Cub and playing at Wrigley is all about. And ownership and the FO has seen the results if having a star player. This is different than not getting a FA from another team. I would say they have a 30-35% chance of signing him
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This is ridiculous. Just negative to be negative. Even if he wants top dollar it is more than a 1% chance. I am frustrated too, but stop being negative just to be negative.
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Would you have traded Cassie+ for him. Not saying that was the cost, but if it was, would you do it.
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Cubs gave up top dollar for him because they knew they were the best team in baseball and needed a closer. Plus SF was big on him. This is a different situation.
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Now Cabrera and they salvage the deadline. Or Gore and they get an A. Any chance Ryan comes with Castro.
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If there is a positive, the Brewers did even less. And I couldn’t care less what AL teams did. Sure, Mets, Phillies and Padres went bigger, but good chance we only face one of those teams. I think last minute we might see Jelly or Morton. I can’t believe Marlins won’t trade one of those pitchers. And if they wanted Spencer Jones from the Yankees would Cassie or even Alcantara be as good or better than him?
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You are way more confident than I am. I was earlier, but not so much any longer. I still think Cabrera is the most likely controlled pitcher.
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I think Jason explained why Horton could be in a Gore deal perfectly several pages ago. If Horton can only give the Cubs maybe 30 innings the rest of this year, as an example, he could make sense being traded for Gore.
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I don’t believe the Astros can possibly offer more than the Cubs for any of those guys considering they just traded for Correa.
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Hahn was just asked about Gore for Cassie, Wiggins and Alcantara. He said if he was the Nationals FO he would drive Gore to the airport. Said it was too much. So does something like Horton and Alcantara get him if the Cubs add another young (not too 10) prospect? I think I would do that.
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Rationally, I know this. And as long as rentals like Kelly, Gallen, Cease, Morton etc are still around the Cubs do have fallbacks. I just don’t understand what would make the price of a controlled pitcher go down. Why would the Marlins, Twins or Nationals lower their price on a guy they can just keep and trade next year? I think the price is set. Do the Cubs want to pay it. Period.
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This would be amazing. Yes, I would love to be in the room where the Cubs FO discusses moves.
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I realize this. And that is why I am still hopeful. But I am watching mlb trade deadline special and the Cubs are not even talked about, with the exception of Rick Hahn saying if Cease is traded the Cubs make the most sense.
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Yep. Starting to get concerned. They helped their team some, but there is more to do. This would be a c- deadline.
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It does. Wonder if the Cubs just were not interested in Bednar or the Pirates asked for more from the Cubs because of being in the division.
