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As I said, there can be one but then not also Assad or Wicks. And if they do get more, I hope it is from someone else. They don’t pay that much for Cease for 2 years. If that’s Peller being reasonable IMO they will just have them all year and lose then for nothing except a draft pick comp for the QO. If he is ok with that, fine.
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How long before the Padres get reasonable about Cease or King? And when they do what shoukd the cost be? I feel if the Cubs gave them either Wicks or Assad they shouldn’t also have to give one of their top prospects. Maybe a younger guy with high risk high reward. Maybe Canario? That is losing a pitcher for one year and getting BOR maybe MOR starter for at least 4 years. And you get some young talent. And it is saving them money. If someone offers more, that is on them. I don’t feel the Cubs have to lose Cassie, Alcantara or even Triantos in this sort of deal. Now, if they don’t want Assad or Wicks I can understand why they would want a better prospect. But not both a major league pitcher and top prospects.
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I live in Az too. I get to about 4 or 5 spring games a year. This year only 3 because of them leaving in the middle for Japan.
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🤷 I would be fine if they made that decision. But then sign a bench bat or two and leave open a possibility then padres get reasonable about either King or Cease.
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To be fair, except for the city he goes to, it won’t even be a story today, compared to the Super Bowl coverage that is going on today. I also doubt he will sign today because he probably wants to be the big story if the day. That will not be the case today.
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I would be shocked if it was 2 bats and a pitcher added. I hope you are right, but I doubt it. For one, they don’t need another pitcher. They signed Rea. I think he is the guy. And their pen is set with back ups as well. Maybe 2 bats, but to me that is a stretch. BTW, I don’t like Rea as the guy, but I don’t see the Dbacks buying enough Montgomery’s contract to make a trade work, and unless Peller gets reasonable they aren’t t getting Cease or King. Again, I hope I am wrong and you are right.
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If they come out of this with at least one solid bench bat then no harm no foul waiting on Bregman. Guess that would be Canha?
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Nicely done. I have tried doing this several times only to delete it. But, in your cons you suggest the bench would be weaker. Would it? If they don’t get Bregman but this goes on a little further, what is available still? They still might roll with what they have. Plus, maybe a Hoerner trade brings a decent bench bat and a prospect. 🤷 My biggest issue with this Bregman debate is they miss chances in upgrading while waiting on a decision. If they never got into the Bregman talks maybe they already add to their bench. Maybe they aim higher in the pen. Maybe instead of Rea they sign a better starting pitcher. Now, we are getting close to the Bregman or bust. There are still some decent bench bats out there, but it is dwindling. Maybe had they never discussed Bregman they would already have Moncada and Grichik for the bench, instead of Berti and whoever else they have. If I had to guess I would think they will lose out on Bregman and sign one bat for the bench. Be about $25M under the first line and go to the season. Still a good off season. Still a division favorite. But it could have been so much better.
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Thank you. I honestly wasn’t sure.
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Since you posted this I wanted to ask, is this true or you just being sarcastic? I took it as you being sacrastic. But others have responded to you as if it was real. Did they offer him $3M?
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Ownership has said it is fine going to the second line. They have said it several times when discussing Bregman. They also have made offers to him, even before trading Pressley. While it may be your opinion they are not in on Bregman there is a lot of stories suggesting they are very much in on him. I am sure they are a player in Bregman.
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3rd base with Devers moving to first. Same place if they traded for Arenado.
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What would be awesome is if this organization didn’t get all hung up on the LT BS. Sign him and keep Nico. And if they need help at the deadline get it. For that matter, sign him, keep Nico and trade for either Cease or King NOW. That is what a big market should do. If the Astros signed Bregman they would be getting close to the next level in LT. Yet, they are still in it. Haven’t heard anyone suggest they are not because of fear of the FIRST LT line. Dbacks sign Burnes when they already had a rotation in place and are not a large market. Yet I don’t hear anything about them and their payroll. Then there is the large market Cubs. Put on your damn big big pants, stop playing the fans for fools and build a team that could win a WS. And if it cost $255M for the roster, than that is the cost.
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You can. I agree. But the teams trying to dump salary seem to also want major league talent back. Doesn’t make sense. But the Padres don’t want to trade Cease or King just for prospects. Seattle isn’t interested either. I keep going back to Phillies and Yankees. If the Cubs and SD are satisfied with each saving maybe $3M in salary does Nico to NY, King to the Cubs and Schmidt to SD make sense? Maybe SD throws a prospect to someone. .
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Which team is taking on Haniger? The point of dealing Nico is too also lower salary. So that isn’t the Cubs. The point of moving King is too also lower lower salary so that isn’t the Padres. You may call it nitty gritty details but they are details that would make this impossible to complete.
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True, but does Seattle want to take on salary? I thought they were looking to move some too? I get your point and chibear did say that. But I don’t think Seattle would be the team.
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1 Cubs fall short of an opportunity to be clear favorites in division by not doing enough in the off season. 2. I read the tweet. Cubs aren’t getting Bregman. And I am fine with that anyway. What I wish they did was already have better talent in the team then what they have. Instead of low salary dumpster dive, back end guys like Morgan, Thielbar, Rea, Brasier, Berti, Lopez, any number of pen arms they signed hoping to catch lightening in a bottle, trade for or sign some better players. 3. yes, there is time left. And if he does do more I will acknowledge my overreaction. But what I see is maybe a bat added for the bench and we go to spring training after a good offseason that could have taken a bigger step and been a great off season. But, hey, at least Ricketts saved $25M. NOTE: my post was more out of frustration that guys are signing and we aren’t getting them. I honestly don’t think we are getting Bregman. So I want a better starting pitcher and a good bench. The issue with a staring pitcher is most likely it has to come via trade. And you need another team for that. I am not sure I see that happening.
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I don’t care that they don’t end up with Bregman. What I do care about is all the penny pinching because they fell for Bregman using them to try to get a better off elsewhere. They should have just gotten a better pitcher than Rea, maybe signed Robinson and probably should have signed Grichik and Moncada. They wouldn’t have enough for all of those moves, but at least a few. Now guys are signed and they have money and nothing to spend it on. And even that would be ok if they used it to extend Tucker. But I have no faith they will do that either. They had a chance to be a clear favorite for this division. They may still win it, but they did waste an opportunity to be even better.
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I’ve seen this play out too often. Cubs are going to come away with MAYBE Canha and that will be it. Ricketts will pocket $25M of money he didn’t spend and then the off season will be complete. And they won’t use it to extend Tucker and probably won’t used it if they add at the trade deadline. Another off season tease.
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So if I am reading this right you are suggesting if Schmidt did throw 160 innings his value might be close to Nico. Is this correct?
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No, you did well explaining. As did 1908. I don’t see the point of signing Bregman if they have to trade Nico to make it happen. It gets even worse for me if they only get prospects for the enviable decline trade later in the year. For me, that is too many moving parts. Tarnish IF HE HAS TO BE TRADED, I want a guy useful now. Maybe Schmidt want the guy to target. All good.
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Fair. Honestly I don’t want to trade Nico anyway. And, TBH, if signing Bregman only happens if they trade Nico I would rather they not sign Bregman. And I really hate the idea of Nico for prospects.
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Yep, that is the problem. If the Cubs got Schmidt I would expect a MOR starter with 150+ innings. So taking him out of the equation I guess I should say the Cubs shouldn’t expect more than a MOR starter with maybe a little more control time left and at a cheaper salary, for Nico. I put Schmidt in that criteria. But not if he is only a guy who can be counted on for 100 innings.
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Ok, thanks. Seriously I am not arguing with either of you. I am trying to learn about this. So, as I suggested with Schmidt, if another pitcher that scenerio would that be something rhenXhns should consider? Lower cost, a little more control and a decent MOR starter. Is that about what would be expected for Nico. Maybe Schmidt doesn’t fit that criteria. I like him, but I am not married to him.
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So, if I am understanding this correctly, if Schmidt provided fWAR of 7.5 over the next 3 years that would amount to $67.5M. Minus his salary of $15.6M would put his SV around $51.9. Is this correct? What is the typical fWAR of a solid MOR starter? Is 2.5 a reach? Or is that decent? I am only asking because I am wondering if my difference of opinion is because I value Schmidt higher than what’s realistic.
