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Spring Training Moves/Transactions Thread
JD94 replied to Outshined_One's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Trading for Cease/King just feels unrealistic. If it happens, great… but seems very unlikely. I can’t speak for you, but give me the proven 4 fWAR star 3B and let’s go make a playoff run. We as fans keep asking the Cubs to act like a big market team, now they are trying to sign Bregman and we want to “moneyball” it with 40 year old Justin Turner? I just don’t get this line of thinking. Like Turner is a fine consolation if we miss on Bregman, but he’s not Alex horsefeathers Bregman. The goal should be spend top dollar and add great players. Bregman checks those boxes. He makes us better the second he arrives. That’s the goal. -
I love Matt Shaw. He’s a prospect though. He’s unproven. In no world should the Cubs say “nah I’m good on a proven star player” because Shaw might be good. Go get the guy that you know is good. Shaw will still get plenty of opportunities to prove himself. As other have said, signing Bregman doesn’t mean you have to trade Nico. If Shaw hits the ground running and a trade for a pitcher falls into Jed’s lap that just happens to include Nico, then fine. I imagine Jed plans on Nico being a part of the 2025 Cubs though. Shaw can get some run at 2B to start the year until Nico is ready.
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I think we should be excited to add a really good player. He makes us better. They kind of chose their path with the rotation. There’s not much else in free agency that moves the needle over what we have. Sure we can say trading for Cease would be better than adding Bregman, but the Padres seemingly want a kings ransom for him. There probably just isn’t much on the trade block that Jed thinks makes sense. I’d much rather put that money on Bregman than sit on it. Justin Turner is fine, but he doesn’t do a whole lot for me. Like yeah, if Bregman signs elsewhere, go get him. I just think Bregman is the most significant move we can make at this point.
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This is true. I guess I’ll say it this way: The consensus is we are offering between 28-30 AAV. For the sake of the discussion, as you said, let’s call Boston’s offer exactly equal. You put park factor in their favor, which I agree with by the way. But I put the Cubs are a better team and he has 3 people on the Cubs he’s really close with. I think that’s enough to push him here. I think comfort plays a big part when all things are equal. If you gave me personally that same decision, I’m choosing to go play with my friends 10 out of 10 times. Because I would be more comfortable. Plus (without doing my own research) I’m pretty sure I saw where his numbers would have been generally the same had he played at Wrigley instead of Houston last year. Im still calling he chooses the Cubs today. Feels like that dam is about to bust and it happens today. I could be wrong though. Just going off a gut feeling.
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I’m not so sure. Boston apparently has a deal lined up for Arenado. Nolan will likely be cheaper than Bregman (Colorado is still paying part of his contract). I could see Boston preferring that route whereas the Cubs will offer more AAV because Arenado is not an option for us (which is fine). I have a weird feeling Bregman chooses the Cubs tomorrow. Reports out of Houston saying they are out and Bregman will sign a short term deal with opt outs. It’s felt like he’s wanted to come here this whole time. Having Tucker and Pressly obviously helps and we should honestly win this division rather easily, especially with Bregman. Boston is likely, at best, the 3rd best team in their division and will be a borderline wild card team.
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Just seems like the league isn’t going to play his games anymore unless he’s repping a star player like a Juan Soto. He thinks a mid level player like Alonso should get 2-300M. Then he advises them to wait it out for top dollar and lately they are not getting up because teams are calling his bluff.
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I’ve skimmed Fangraphs and just not seeing much that makes sense for a Nico for SP trade that fits what Jed would likely want to do. I mean Cease and King are there, but it’s been explained how that just might not work out. Braves could really use an upgrade at SS, but they don’t have much pitching to offer and they likely need what they have until Strider gets back at worst. Clark Schmidt makes some sense I guess as I mentioned last night. That’s probably the one name that you can look at and say “yeah, maybe.” Seattle doesn’t appear willing to come off any of their SP.
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I guess it depends on the alternative or the goal. Are we continuing to push chips in on this season where we have Tucker for 1 year and potentially Bregman with an opt out? Is the alternative Clarke Schmidt (random example) or prospects? I’m genuinely asking because I don’t know the goal.
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Is there a deal with San Diego possible that involves Cease for Nico +? He would fit there. He could play SS. Xander can play 2B. Cronenworth 1B. Arraez DH / 2B / possibly some LF since that looks like a weak spot for SD. Arraez hasn’t played LF much at all, and none since 2021, but in a SSS he was above average out there. Im sure it doesn’t really work. Just spitballing. Adding Bregman and Cease definitely puts us over the tax or right there at it. Cease will make close to $2M more than Nico this year. Look at me getting greedy lol. Conceivably if (and I know it’s not going to happen) Jed could pull that off, you could try to dump Jamo. Cease, Shota, Steele, Boyd, Rea, Birdsell, Wicks, Brown, Assad is better than that same rotation with Jamo instead of Cease. Obviously it would be even better with Cease AND Jamo, but in this scenario you still have a better overall rotation and Jamo’s $$$ off the books allowing you to get Bregman and Cease and stay under the tax.
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Looks like the Cubs are paying $2.8M of Brasier’s contract
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Am I reading this correctly that the Dodgers are paying some of Brasier’s $4.5M? Even more evidence Jed is saving every penny to make Bregman work if so
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As I said in the Bregman thread, feels like this only adds to the Bregman smoke. Cheaper option than Robertson that gives you more room if the reported $30M AAV is accurate.
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This was my exact thought as well. Cheaper than Robertson which gives a little more wiggle room to sign Bregman.
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We can’t have it both ways. Mad they won’t sign enough good players and mad when they try to sign a good player you don’t want. Maybe this is Jed saying “I have extra money to spend, why sit on it when I can go get a really good player?” Maybe Preller isn’t budging off Shaw for Cease and that’s just not a realistic possibility. Adding Bregman makes us better than we are today. Period. You can’t argue that. I will not fault Jed for making moves that make this ball club better. I hope he gets it done. As 1908 said, then you have time to see if Shaw is ready and potentially move Nico for pitching over the next couple of months.
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Not sure what to make of this. Just another tidbit of info to consider. Feels like we should know one way or another soon. I’ve never bought into we are serious suitors. I would be lying if I said a tiny part of me isn’t holding out some hope though. Would love to add Bregman. You don’t even HAVE to move Nico if you get him. Shaw can start at 2B until Nico is ready. Gives you time to see what he can do. If he struggles, good thing you signed Bregman… if he hits, figure out a way to keep him in the lineup. There will be other injuries and opportunities for him to play regularly.
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It’s always felt like Houston for Bregman. I bet Detroit had a serious offer, but just hasn’t felt like he wanted to go there. The other teams mentioned feel like leverage plots to make Houston up their offer. We will see.
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I guess I manifested that lol
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If the Cubs and Padres can’t come to a reasonable Cease deal, why not just shoot for Flaherty since he’s willing to accept a short “prove it” type deal. He’s obviously not as good, but would still be a nice option to add to the rotation. Probably eliminates us from Bregman, but I doubt that’s going to happen regardless. You could probably grab Flaherty and say Robertson and be good. Maybe they still need another bench bat?
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I’m far from a prospect hugger, but Shaw for one year of Cease is just delusional. I don’t blame Preller for starting there, hell it’s where I would start, but I’m sure he’s aware that’s not happening. It’s not even worth discussing.
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I’m with @Bertz in that I think Bregman just does not want to go to Detroit period. Also I wouldn’t get caught up in Shaw. The Cubs aren’t moving him unless it’s some crazy obvious move that gets you a star under control for multiple years. Otherwise he’s staying. From all accounts they obviously love Shaw and he’s almost untouchable.
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Sorry guys, not sure why that posted 24 times lol
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Heyman said it in his live show he does. I think it’s on Bleacher Report, but not entirely sure. I rarely watch it because I always come away feeling like he’s just throwing hypotheticals out.
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Heyman said it in his live show he does. I think it’s on Bleacher Report, but not entirely sure. I rarely watch it because I always come away feeling like he’s just throwing hypotheticals out.
