what is your point? how about this Lee 04 OPS 125, IsoD 61 05 OPS 110, IsoD 59 06 OPS 125, IsoD 55 Soriano 04 OPS 98, IsoD 44 05 OPS 110, IsoD 41 06 OPS 135, IsoD 74 (go ahead and take away the IBBs, it's still a vast improvement in an area Lee is getting worse at) not sure why K/BB ratio is in the discussion. we're not talking about pitchers and I thought the general view was strikeouts are not a strong consideration amongst those with the sabr mindset. Just presenting the facts that Soriano and Lees production is a lot more similar than people think. The K/BB tab on the comparison was just random, I was scrolling through all of them looking at the differences. I really don't get your point though. So you are saying that Soriano had one fluke patience year because he was hitting in front of Felipe Lopez/Jose Vidro/Royce Clayton and Nick Johnson/Jose Vidro? If you do isolate out his IBB from 16 to his normal 5 or so, then that takes his IsoD down 10 points give or take a few. So on the whole you are saying that his patience is worse than Lee's, right? 2006: Lee - 27.2 VORP Soriano - 48.2 VORP 2005: Lee - 24.7 VORP Soriano - 39.5 VORP Soriano is vastly superior your numbers for 2006 are wrong. bp has carlos lee split into two different players since he changed teams in midseason. lee as a brewer had 27.2 vorp, and lee as a ranger had 20.0 vorp, giving him a total of 47.2 vorp, making him very comparable to soriano. also, wasn't soriano playing second base in 2005? that would make it kind of hard to compare their vorp's for that year since they are no longer playing different positions.