Thabo played pro ball in Europe from 17 on, and he, Duhon and Hinrich were all 22 at the start of their rookie seasons in the NBA. the european game is still different from the american game in coaching style and type of player. he may have seen plenty of guys who weren't good enough to play in the NBA, but he wasn't playing, nigh in, night out with players that he would see in the pro ranks. i'm wondering how many future NBAers that duhon, hinrich, and gordon played against while in the ACC, Big 12, and Big East respectively. i wasn't saying that they did, i was saying that minutes played effects experience and progression, which, at some point will increase his production and help him give an accurate picture of the player he'll be. european players generally have a little lower PER in their first year than college players, anyway. even the ones who become top players.