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if you take out the 5 3's the illini shot in the final 5 minutes, it would look better. it's also hard to get layups when you're getting roughed up, conversely it's hard to contest layups when your best two players are in bad foul trouble. 30 fouls in the game and 20 fouls in the second half. watching you squirm is like watching a merryman try to explain how weber has done a good job so far.

they are totally embiggened at home

I did and that claim seems to be, well, literally false. Yeah, but he just made you waste 5 minutes of your day, so point sulley (and 2 free ones for IU) i didn't think anyone would actually check, but the image of eow sitting in front of his tv pausing and unpausing and rewinding holding a clipboard makes me smile Haha. I just checked the play-by-play though: http://espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=320400084 Also, "i didn't think anyone would actually check"? Isn't that, ostensibly, "it wasn't meant to be a factual statement" . . . ? can you tell how many possessions the hoosiers had in the second half? i can't find that.

it was really fun while it lasted though. can't wait for the next scandal

a remarkable achievement

when anecdotal evidence is supported by real data, that equals a balanced opinion. spin this any way you want, but there were 30 fouls called on the illini and 16 called on indiana. it was an absurd and obscene spectacle last night.

I did and that claim seems to be, well, literally false. Yeah, but he just made you waste 5 minutes of your day, so point sulley (and 2 free ones for IU) i didn't think anyone would actually check, but the image of eow sitting in front of his tv pausing and unpausing and rewinding holding a clipboard makes me smile

I did and that claim seems to be, well, literally false. 30 fouls in 40 minutes, i'm certain that it must be true, it literally cannot be untrue. 30 fouls to 16. you pukes loved the officiating i bet.

meyers did righteously smiteth down the ugly one, but sheehey was not undercut, he anticipated contact and got none--causing him to fall on his face.

what's irrational? as i've said, illinois made 12 layups and missed 10. raw made the claim that indiana had 7-8 missed layups, they made 14 of them, which would mean that they attempted 21-22, at best the same amount that illinois attempted. this myth that indiana got to the basket an appreciable amount more than illinois is irrational, if anything. This is a discussion point. Almost everything else posted here, excepting bukie, has been irrationality. Regardless, those stats prove little. First, "layups" in play-by-plays and box scores aren't inherently drives to the basket (or even "lay-ups" by the common understanding). Often, the official scorer -- and I've received these every time out covering college basketball in my previous job -- counts any short jumpers as such because it's easier. Second, it may not be relevant for this game, but raw is correct that breakaway dunks are not equivalent to half-court drives when discussing fouls. Third, and, most importantly, the made/missed numbers may look the same, but that does not account for IU's drives that resulted in fouls. You can't harp on the fact that IU received a foul call every time they got close to the basket, then ignore those times they got close to the basket to prove that Illinois got close to the basket as often as IU. Further, Illinois took fifty shots and twenty-one were 3-pointers (forty-two percent of their shots). IU took forty-two shots and only twelve were 3-pointers (twenty-nine percent of their shots). This certainly implies that IU was more aggressive going to the basket and not settling for jumpers (unless there was a rash of long 2-pointers from IU, which I don't recall). Finally, you're addressing a poster that admitted last night that Illinois got homered a bit. Still, my last post was an attempt to steer away from the officiating because officiating discussions are almost inherently irrational. i'll address the issues of the 3-pointers first. the illini had 16 with 5 minutes to go, indiana had 12, not a huge difference. but due to the absolute filthy and deplorable behavior of the referees, they found themselves behind by a large margin and had to chuck. i disagree with your first assertion. the scorecard i saw counted meyers' opening basket as a jumpshot, even though it was obviously a layup. he got the ball, made a pivot and put it off the backboard with his left hand. hardly a jumpshot. his 5-foot quick-hook was also counted as a jumpshot, although he obviously got it because of a post move after getting the ball in position in the lane. zeller was draped all over him and it most certainly would have been called a foul if the roles had been reversed. the breakaway dunks and layups are still aggressive drives to the hoop, off of strong outlet passes or whatever. when illinois was getting breakaways they were being aggressive, and fouls occur generally more regularly on breakaways anyway. you're right, it's not applicable to this game so let's dismiss it. your third point would be true only assuming most of these fouls prevented layups. a good share were not of this kind at all. if they were, you most likely wouldn't see the outrage. it wouldn't be so egregious if paul hadn't been fouled at least 3 times going to the hoop with the game still in question while hulls got a hand-check call or a bs foul call on a well-defended 15-foot jumpshot on the other end of the floor. there was literally a foul called on 10 straight trips, go back and check it. it would be nice to be the beneficiaries of calls like that, but i doubt that illinois has EVER shot 42 free throws in a game or been in the bonus with 14 minutes to go in the second half, cherish that kind of homerism.

oh, i'm not that disappointed we lost, i understand that it's better for us in the long run if we do. but when i see obvious disregard for humility, pride, and the joy of sportsmanship, i can no longer remain seated, sir. again, i call for the heads of the refs, to be presented at the new unmarked gravesite of joe paterno after he is exhumed and reburied. their wives and children and pets can be entombed alive with them, coins placed in their mouths to assure their passage to tartarus is paid for.

remember that he thought he was the voice of reason because he thought the dead should be fed intravenously to the living?

remember when the ref tried to call the charge on meyers when elston was standing directly underneath the hoop? that was awesome.

what's irrational? as i've said, illinois made 12 layups and missed 10. raw made the claim that indiana had 7-8 missed layups, they made 14 of them, which would mean that they attempted 21-22, at best the same amount that illinois attempted. this myth that indiana got to the basket an appreciable amount more than illinois is irrational, if anything.

there's no arguing with that

paul got to the rim when he wanted, but was pushed, hit, smacked, or thrown to the ground without any call. indiana had no one that could stay in front of him, so they fouled him, which should have sent him to the line several more times. didn't happen though. check out when he gets pounded in the head on one of his drives and indiana got the ball out of bounds, that was agreat.

i guess weber called the officiating a travesty. first time i've agreed with him in a long time.

this is when bruce needs to start calling out the refs in the media. it was the most ridiculous game i've ever seen and it bears calling attention to.

illinois has been getting fucked all year by the refs so it's not a surprise, really.

I assume that every post from illiniguy and sulley is unnecessary and flippant hyperbole. i am in a class of my own, thank you

you are unnecessary and flippant, now go tell your referee friends that they have 2 hours to kill themselves

No, they didn't. 42 free throws and 28 fouls suggests they got away with nothing. You may not want to hear it, but it was one of the more one-sided officiated games of the year. How else were they going to call it? Over 1/2 of Illinois shots were jump shots over 16 feet. Over 1/2 of IUs were layups. Illinois let IU to the rim at will. How do you even up the FTs in a game like that. Not agreeing with the original post. Don't think Illinois got away with anything, but it's not like IU was hacking guys at the rim because Illinois didn't even try to get there for the most part....while on the other end, they did nothing to stop Hulls and Oladipo. brandon paul got leveled on at least 3 drives to the hoop, leveled, with no call. this was going on while indiana was on their like 20 possession foul streak. it was a shameful and embarrassing display by the referees and you're embarrassing yourself by trying to deny it. it wasn't like the iu players drove to the hoop a significant amount more than the illini. the refs should kill themselves for the sheer honor that they lost. the best part is that the illini will never ever get a home court advantage like that. Really? How can you honestly say that? You guys shot 21 3s! And again, not only did IU have 14 layups, but they also missed 7-8 by my count. And the biggest play of the game was a drive/dish to Watford for a 3. Oladipo scored 18 points, all on drives to the basket. 5 of those 3s came in the last 5 minutes after the damage was done. 16 3's is not a significant amount. the Illini made 12 layups and missed 10 more. i'm guess they missed so many because iu was so great at not fouling them

Were all 13 of those calls bad calls? If not, then it should affect the game's conclusion. You're not allowed to commit fouls and stay on the basketball court. You guys keep harping on 2-3 calls on Leonard, when most of the 26 fouls called on Illinois were undisputable....yet you guys keep dismissing my point that Illinois could not stop IU from getting into the paint at will. Paul, Henry and Bertrand all had legit fouls. Hell, Paul didn't really feel like playing anyway. I'm saying your position is largely a chicken-egg scenario. Every little tap was getting a foul call, so the defenders were unable to stay close on their assignments to avoid picking up even more fouls. From the time Leonard went out with his 4th with 12:29 left until IU went up 67-55 at 5:00, every single IU possession ended with a made 3, a made layup, or FTs. From the start of the 2nd half to the 12:29 mark left in the game, every IU possession ended with a made 3, a made layup, or a FT (other than a Hulls 2-pt jumper from about 10ft). IU got an offensive rebound after every shot they missed the first 7 1/2 minutes of the 2nd half. Leonard going out just gave a convenient excuse and Illinois had little chance of keeping up with IU offensively in the 2nd half, even with him on the floor. illinois had little chance keeping up with iu offensively in the second half because of your puke refs called fouls on the possessions that iu didn't make a field goal. it was an ungentlemanly display of sportsmanship by the refs. again, i demand that they kill themselves immediately.

No, they didn't. 42 free throws and 28 fouls suggests they got away with nothing. You may not want to hear it, but it was one of the more one-sided officiated games of the year. How else were they going to call it? Over 1/2 of Illinois shots were jump shots over 16 feet. Over 1/2 of IUs were layups. Illinois let IU to the rim at will. How do you even up the FTs in a game like that. Not agreeing with the original post. Don't think Illinois got away with anything, but it's not like IU was hacking guys at the rim because Illinois didn't even try to get there for the most part....while on the other end, they did nothing to stop Hulls and Oladipo. brandon paul got leveled on at least 3 drives to the hoop, leveled, with no call. this was going on while indiana was on their like 20 possession foul streak. it was a shameful and embarrassing display by the referees and you're embarrassing yourself by trying to deny it. it wasn't like the iu players drove to the hoop a significant amount more than the illini. the refs should kill themselves for the sheer honor that they lost. the best part is that the illini will never ever get a home court advantage like that.

meyers literally barely touched him. if not for the puke refs bailing indiana out every [expletive] time down the floor they'd be losing by 20 points. hide your [expletive] shame indiana fans, even you can't deny this shafting