so you'd rather they lose? that makes a lot sense. Why even have Low A and High A then if you are just gonna discount everything the players do here and just go off potential? Wins are a poor metric to rate a pitcher by anywhere, but especially in the low minors where pitchers don't go as long and relievers aren't always the best. Kc wasn't talking about wins or losses as a team stat but just that they are an incomplete and poor stat to judge a pitcher with. I'd rather judge a pitcher based on peripheral stats involving walk and strikeout rates, WHIP, BAA, etc. At the lower levels of the minor leagues, scouting and "potential" is still very important since the players haven't played professionally for long and have a ways to reach a finished product. Also at the lower levels, prospects can be playing against far less advanced competition which will allow them to rack up the stats. I completely disagree. You pay a pitcher to win. While it shouldnt be the only stat used to judge it MUST be used. Especially in this league. It shows that a pitcher has the ability to go 5 innings and pick up a win. More importantly it shows the ability to keep a team in the game and get a win. Look out, here it comes... Wins don't tell you anything that can't be derived from other numbers. I can look at a 5 IP, 3 ER line and tell that a guy kept the team in the game without factoring in the quality of the bullpen or his team's offense in the won/lost column. I can look at a 6 IP, 1 ER line and tell he did a better job, but he may easily have gotten the win in the first game and not in the second. And wins absolutely don't project. A pitcher isn't going to get to take his bullpen, offense, and opposition with him to the majors, so why should they make a difference in how quickly he gets there? A starting pitcher's job is to go as many innings as possible while giving up as few runs as possible. If he's doing that, his job is done. There's no need to incorporate a team stat to determine that.