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Thielbar had a nice year for them but let not ignore hes going to be 39, so a drop-off in what he did last season wouldn't be surprising... Hoyer loves his older bullpen guys, probably because he can get them on 1-2 yr deals. So far his pen additions are Theilbar (39) Milner (35) and Maton (33)
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Part of me think he inked Dansby to the 7 yrs was because he was set on bringing in one of the 4 SS that offseason and waited it out to where Swanson was his last option and he had to go 7 yrs to get him
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I didn't care about the money part of things back then, I was just happy to see them add another big bat to go with Lee and Ramirez, brought in Pinella and actually try and win games again.
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Soriano was 31 when he got an 8 yr contract.. I personally have no gripe about it. My bringing up Soriano is mainly in my thinking of why Hoyer might be hesitant in giving out those type of contracts (8+yrs)length wise and giving them out to guys that 30+. He was the GM when he and Theo were trying to trade Soriano towards the end of that contract but couldn't get any takers because of Soriano age and money owed, they finally got the Yankees to bite but had to pay part of the contract just to get back a low level pitcher in return. Heyward was Theo guy. Swanson the only guy he has signed so far for 7 yrs. Yes majority of FA now are 30 or close to it and so far in Hoyers 6th offseason as POBO, outside of Swanson(28), he hasn't inked anyone for more than 5 years, they've been 3-5 at most. I just personally feel that Hoyer is just gunshy now and don't want to be in position to be stuck with a long term deal with a guy after age 35. I could be wrong as to why but until he actually signs players to a long term deal past age 35, theres a reason why he doesn't and that just my thoughts on why.
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Never said his contract wasn't fine, or he wasn't playing good, was just going down memory lane in response to the poster about when the Tribune sold the Cubs. In my response to Rob, I answered your previous question
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I was beyond ecstatic when they signed Soriano... maybe im wrong but weren't they(Theo/Jed) trying to move him but having a hard time because of his age/money/years left on his deal ? Then they were able to trade him back to the Yankees but had to eat money to just recieve some low level pitcher in return. To answer RCAL question through your post, I just think having to go through that process with Soriano and Heyward deal, might have some to do with Hoyer hesitation to offer up the long term (7+ yrs) deals to guys around 30.
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That i remember, they had a 66 win team with Dusty in 2006, went out and hired Pinella and brought in Soriano and other FA to spice up the team and won the division with 85 wins and then sold them to the Ricketts. Lol
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Nico will actually be 30 in 2027, I think if Jed does offer an extension though, my guess would be something like 4/80. I think Hoyer will offer low especially if Rojas and or Hernandez has a good season in 2026.
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Darvish was Theo guy when he signed for 2018, and Hoyer traded away a month after taking over as POBO in 2020
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I posted the other day that I think Jed seeing the affect of how both Heyward and Soriano contract had on cubs, has probably made him hesitant on signing guys close to 30 or older to any contract length over 7 years, especially if they're 30+ of age. I doubt he'll even consider going more than 5 for a pitcher.
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Probably wont see the Cubs make any significant additions until after the holidays
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Yea, I mean why look desperate and spend a little extra on the really good FA, when you can wait and grab the lesser talented ones thatll take way less money and years 🙄😏
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Hoyer not looking to add anyone of significant to the pen or rotation, I said before when Imanaga returned, they have their rotation set and more with Steele returning in May/June and some depth with Rea, Assad, Wicks, and possibly Wiggins later in year. I still feel at best Hoyer will add a couple depth type starters. I want to be wrong cause they need another TOR type starter, I just dont see them doing it this offseason. Same with bullpen, they have a bunch of in house guys already and I doubt Hoyer going to spend more than 5 mil on a reliever, so at best he'll likely add a couple depth type arms here too, nothing exciting. But Hey, all is ok, they promoted Zombo to VP of pitching after 1 year so the Nationals wouldn't hire him 🙄 😉
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I hope not, but i can see them sticking with their position players to get through the first offseason of the new CBA and possibly a delay in starting the season if they hold out.
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Dodgers since as long as i can remember, has always made up their rosters with mostly home grown talent and then added top notch veteran players where needed via trade and FA to surround them with. It's like a revolving door of talent for them in their system and why they have always been an above 500 team just about every season
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That why their payroll is up there in top 5 to 10 every year is because of the multiple 15-25 per guys that they sign to 2 to 5 year deals, while avoiding the big signings for one or two stars.
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Handing out 8+ year deals to players 32+ for past performances is plain dumb, offering up 8+ years to someone like Tucker for example isnt bad at all.
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Right and they can be talking about lesser players that they represent like the 2 relievers they just signed, not the big boys we hope that they would talk about.
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Wasn't assuming how much they'll contribute, just in my response to the post was just saying that they have guys currently on roster and starting now for them, or in system (Caissie, Ballesteros), that can be in 2027 OD lineup. So if Hoyer chooses not to upgrade and basically keep the current guys he has, they just need to add a 2Bmen to replace Hoerner and another OFer to replace Happ. Ballesteros can replace Suzuki as DH Not saying that what going to happen just that in my response to Cuzi, they done HAVE to go out and get 4-5 new everyday players because as of now they can easily fill 7 of those spots with who they have if Hoyer chooses.
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The point was is that they don't necessarily NEED to go out and bring in all those guys if they don't want to because they have guys already filling in those spots outside of adding 1 outfielder and a 2Bmen for the starting 8 positions. Theyre definitely going to give Caissie an opportunity to fill an outfield spot in left or right, so that leave 2B, another outfielder that as of now will be open. Sure they can upgrade at 3B over Shaw and they will add a 2nd catcher, but they currently now have 7 players that can start on OD for them in 2027 if you include Ballesteros as DH.
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Why i was saying last week, most of time they just throw names out there in assumption cause it fits teams needs, not because there was actual talks from Jed to player/agent about a possible contract.
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They wont need that many if they don't bring back Hoerner Happ or Suzuki... Theyll have Amaya, Busch, Swanson, Shaw, PCA, and hopefully Caissie and Ballesteros(DH) So basically just need a LFer or RFer depending on where Caissie plays, and a 2Bmen. If you really think about it, this roster worked out perfect for Ricketts/Hoyer if the plan is to not have too spend to much $$$ on bringing in FA the next couple offseasons because they have control of majority of the position players and a couple of prospects ready to come up and fill in the holes that will be vacated.
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I think some of these offers or more so interested teams will likely be revisited closer to the trade deadline if the Cubs arent contending and Hoyer looks to move expiring contracts.. Be dumb to move him now if the goal is to return to the postseason
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Here are some of the Cubs' longest contracts by length, including both current and historical deals: Top Long-Term Deals (By Length) Jason Heyward: 8 years, $184M (2016-2023) Alfonso Soriano: 8 years, $136M (2007-2014) Dansby Swanson: 7 years, $177M (2023-2029) Jon Lester: 6 years, $155M (2015-2020) Yu Darvish: 6 years, $126M (2018-2023) Seiya Suzuki: 5 years, $85M (2022-2026) Carlos Zambrano: 5-year extension (total 8 yrs/~$91.5M) Jameson Taillon: 4 years, $68M (2023-2026) Ian Happ: 3 years, $61M (2024-2026) This is Hoyer 6th offseason as Cubs top guy, I think it safe to say either players dont want to commit to Hoyers offer or he's not big on offering contracts for more than 5 years, having only one accepting such deal. Maybe seeing how it affected the team with Soriano and Heyward, scared him from making that kind of commitment 🤷♂️
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I hope im wrong too... 44.5 mil left under Threshold and 7 players still needed to fill out roster, doesn't leave much left for other 6 if they add a guy for 20+ and he holds at minimum 10 mil for in season spending.
