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What was lost in doing that? Respect. He basically said to every other GM out there that he can be jerked around for months and you won't lose him Like how Beane jerked him around over Harden? Or did Jim just bowl him over with his exorbitant offer that Beane had to say yes? And Beinfest's puppet in Florida? Yes you're right. Those examples completely prove that GM's didn't take note of the way the Orioles messed with Hendry for months. Good work. That last statement makes more sense if you read it as being completely sincere. So you're saying that the fact Hendry got Rich Harden proves that no GM will ever think "I can probably haggle for longer with him....the O's did it for 5 months"? Really? That proves that? Hell, it's possible that it's playing a role in the Peavy talks right now. I'm not saying it is, but we don't know that it's not My point stands that it set a bad example by allowing the Orioles to mess with him for so long. You can't deny that.

Do you not know how to read?

you wish bad things upon your favorite team because your feelings are hurt? what kind of backwards logic is that? because he wants their bad decisions to be punished instead of rewarded i still don't agree with the notion, but i don't think it has anything to do with his feelings being hurt... he was totally fine with letting wood go before this snippet about him being open to a one year deal came out. I don't know which is worse, the initial quoted post, or the 2nd reply. I cannot believe that some posters on this board either: (1) want to be right so badly that they wish ill upon members of their favorite team or, (2) Have such a man crush on Wood that they would wish ill upon a member of their favorite team. If Gregg comes over and accomplishes what ever Wood can accomplish at less than half the $$, then this is not a bad move,hurt feelings aside, correct ? I certainly do not see this as impossible, or even unlikely, as Wood was really not in the elite class last year in a position that most on this board feel is remarkably over rated to begin with. I liked Wood, but not for 10 mil. I hope Gregg has a great year as a Cub. I hope Wood has a great year for whoever he pitches for, except against the Cubs. I'll tell what's worse than both of those posts... someone who doesn't understand sarcasm And for the 485th time, nothing I said (which again, was not a serious post) was because of some man crush on Wood. I was in favor of letting him go if we had to give him a multi-year contract. Letting him go when we could have had him for one year is a terrible move for this team, especially when you consider how much gregg is going to get in arbitration Oh, and Gregg won't accomplish what Wood di, which is allow marmol to be used in the 8th where he;'s more valuable. We all know Marmol is going to close now....which make him less valuable and also makes him more expensive for the future Whatever. Just what the Cubs need, a 10 Mil, injury prone, closer. If Hendry offered that kind of money to anyone else in baseball to be a closer, you all would be throwing a freaking fit. Do not be in man crush denial. It is not becoming. Nobody KNOWS anything, but i put the odds at 50/50 that Gregg is fully capable of accomplishing what Wood did last year, and at a lot less money. No way is Marmol the closer with Lou at the helm, and Gregg on the team, unless Gregg bombs. By the way, in your world, who closes when Wood goes on the DL again ? You're so far off it's ridiculous. Man crush denial? You can go back and find posts where I made fun of people for letting their Wood man crush get in the way of thinking. You can also find posts from yesterday when I was defending hendry for making the right move. However,1 year for Wood at whatever is hands down better than Michael Wuertz...I mean Kevin gregg at about 5 million. As for gregg being a closer, Hendry has already alluded to the fact that Marmol will close, so you're wrong about that too. Who closes when Wood goes on the DL? The same person that will close next year anyways....Marmol. Bottom line is not only are we losing a very good rleiever, we're likely losing Marmol to the closer's role. The 7th and 8th innings are going to be a crapshoot every game now "Nobody KNOWS anything, but i put the odds at 50/50 that Gregg is fully capable of accomplishing what Wood did last year, and at a lot less money." A) Gregg has never had a season where he was even close to as dominant as Wood was last year B) Whether or not he accomplishes what Wood did last season (allow Marmol to pitch in the 7th/8th) won't even be in his control. We all know how impatient Lou is with guys who walk batters, so I find it hard to believe that he's going to sit and watch Gregg walk guys in the 9th inning every day C) 3-5 million is not "a lot less money" when you're talking about a one year deal

What was lost in doing that? Respect. He basically said to every other GM out there that he can be jerked around for months and you won't lose him Do you really think Hendry lost respect among other GM's because he has not satisfied your media obligation in telling you everything that is going on? Wait, what did I ever say about him not tleling us stuff? All I'm saying is that it's not a good example to set that you can be haggled for 5 months and not walk away Well part of the reason that all of us(except for David) are freaking out right now is because he refused to haggle and walked away prematurely. I'd rather a GM stay in a conversation too long than walk away too soon. I'm pretty sure he wasn't in danger of walking away too soon when they were still discussing Roberts into spring training Anyways, what Wren said doesn't automatically mean he's walking away So if you don't think Wren is walking away, what is he doing differently than Hendry other than announcing to the media that he will look at other pitchers. It's already been reported that Hendry is doing the same. And if everyone could stop making me defend Hendry on the day this quote from Wood came out that would be aces. I think you're misunderstanding. Nothing I'm saying has anything to do with hendry's pursuit of Peavy. I was talking about the Roberts fiasco from last offseason. I have no problem with hendry still being in the Peavy talks

What was lost in doing that? Respect. He basically said to every other GM out there that he can be jerked around for months and you won't lose him Do you really think Hendry lost respect among other GM's because he has not satisfied your media obligation in telling you everything that is going on? Wait, what did I ever say about him not tleling us stuff? All I'm saying is that it's not a good example to set that you can be haggled for 5 months and not walk away Well part of the reason that all of us(except for David) are freaking out right now is because he refused to haggle and walked away prematurely. I'd rather a GM stay in a conversation too long than walk away too soon. I'm pretty sure he wasn't in danger of walking away too soon when they were still discussing Roberts into spring training Anyways, what Wren said doesn't automatically mean he's walking away

What was lost in doing that? Respect. He basically said to every other GM out there that he can be jerked around for months and you won't lose him Like how Beane jerked him around over Harden? Or did Jim just bowl him over with his exorbitant offer that Beane had to say yes? And Beinfest's puppet in Florida? Yes you're right. Those examples completely prove that GM's didn't take note of the way the Orioles messed with Hendry for months. Good work.

What was lost in doing that? Respect. He basically said to every other GM out there that he can be jerked around for months and you won't lose him Do you really think Hendry lost respect among other GM's because he has not satisfied your media obligation in telling you everything that is going on? Wait, what did I ever say about him not tleling us stuff? All I'm saying is that it's not a good example to set that you can be haggled for 5 months and not walk away

you wish bad things upon your favorite team because your feelings are hurt? what kind of backwards logic is that? because he wants their bad decisions to be punished instead of rewarded i still don't agree with the notion, but i don't think it has anything to do with his feelings being hurt... he was totally fine with letting wood go before this snippet about him being open to a one year deal came out. I don't know which is worse, the initial quoted post, or the 2nd reply. I cannot believe that some posters on this board either: (1) want to be right so badly that they wish ill upon members of their favorite team or, (2) Have such a man crush on Wood that they would wish ill upon a member of their favorite team. If Gregg comes over and accomplishes what ever Wood can accomplish at less than half the $$, then this is not a bad move,hurt feelings aside, correct ? I certainly do not see this as impossible, or even unlikely, as Wood was really not in the elite class last year in a position that most on this board feel is remarkably over rated to begin with. I liked Wood, but not for 10 mil. I hope Gregg has a great year as a Cub. I hope Wood has a great year for whoever he pitches for, except against the Cubs. I'll tell what's worse than both of those posts... someone who doesn't understand sarcasm And for the 485th time, nothing I said (which again, was not a serious post) was because of some man crush on Wood. I was in favor of letting him go if we had to give him a multi-year contract. Letting him go when we could have had him for one year is a terrible move for this team, especially when you consider how much gregg is going to get in arbitration Oh, and Gregg won't accomplish what Wood di, which is allow marmol to be used in the 8th where he;'s more valuable. We all know Marmol is going to close now....which make him less valuable and also makes him more expensive for the future

Jim Hendry(or possibly Lou) think Kerry's a health risk and are throwing a tantrum about the 3 weeks he was on the DL this season. Because of this they didn't want him back under most any circumstances. This is my out of my ass theory. Basically they're playing the role of the moron Cub fans who want to get over Prior/Wood. If that was true then they wouldn't have re-signed him after 2007

What was lost in doing that? Respect. He basically said to every other GM out there that he can be jerked around for months and you won't lose him

If what we're reading is true, then Hendry let personal stuff get in the way of making the best decision for the organization, and that's pretty pathetic.

By the way, Hendry should take notes from Wren on how to have some balls and not get jerked around for too long. Even if Wren is just posturing, at least he stepped up and put a stop to the back and forth waste of time stuff. hendry let the O's jerk around way too long last offseason.

the same reason people thought other GM's would want Ronny Cedeno last year. wishful thinking Other teams wanting Cedeno make a hell of a lot more sense than the Padres wanting Gregg

YEAH! That'll show 'em!!! I don't really want that to happen...but yes, it will show em. It will show Hendry that he made a huge mistake and he will have to take the deserved heat for it and we'll suffer through a bad year and the window will be more shut. awesome i already said i wasn't being serious Jesus.

That doesn't mean Wood's comments were untruthful. What Sullivan is saying is that Hendry would have given him a one year deal but didn't because he felt bad about being able to get more elsewhere. It's obvious that hendry's feelings got in the way and he didn't do what was best for the team and organization. Bad way to run a team.

YEAH! That'll show 'em!!! I don't really want that to happen...but yes, it will show em. It will show Hendry that he made a huge mistake and he will have to take the deserved heat for it

Seriuly, it shouldnt be that hard. Trade Gregg and whatever else for Peavy. Re sign Wood. Sign Abreu or Ibanez. Let Dempster fly. I don't understand why you think the Padres would want Gregg

no more than Kinney saying that we more or less were getting Brian Roberts last year Everybody said we were getting Roberts last year...even Roberts was told he was going, so that's a pretty bad comparison And I'm pretty sure you mean Kenney

If they got Peavy and then decided to give Depster a long term deal instead of giving Wood one year I think I'd flip out.

you wish bad things upon your favorite team because your feelings are hurt? what kind of backwards logic is that? Did you not see the part where I said "part of me"? Obviously I don't actually want that to happen. Anyways, it has nothing to do with my feelings being hurt and the fact that it's Kerry Wood. I was in favor of letting Wood leave.... before I found out he'd take a one year deal. Not giving him a one year deal is stupid and it hurts the team next year, especially now that they're probably going to move Marmol to closer.

That doesn't mean they're out. It's all posturing.

It's funny that hendry announced Wood won't be coming back right after the gregg trade, as though he thought Kevin Gregg would soften the blow and make it easier for the fans to take. Moron.

Now Marmol is going to close? This is shaping up to be the most disastrous offseason ever. Hendry is trying desperately to cancel out everything good he's done over the past 2 years. It's like once he got his extension he realized he's awful again.

Because our window of winning a championship is right now. Every year that goes by our offesne gets older and their salaries grow.

Now part of me hopes that our bullpen (Gregg especially) is a disaster next year.