http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1ddf7RjFi1qc3759o1_250.gif Yeah you're totally right, I didn't phrase that right, or at least that's far from the main issue. And I'll stop after this, as I'm guessing even this will get criticized, but if this case is with a girl he met at the bar, that means all that really needs to be proven is A. she was drinking (and therefore unable to give consent), and B. they had sex. While, again, the overwhelming priority is to ensure the well-being of the victim, I just always found it a little...tough that if they were both drinking (and both unable to give consent) it still falls out the way it does. I think you are misinformed. That's not really "all it takes". I think that is the theoretical message you might want to get across to your son if you are trying to reinforce to the stupid little [expletive] how important it is to not rape, but in the real world it takes a whole hell of a lot more than just proving there was sex and she had a drink. Yes, it's not that simple. While I still think it's fair (if not PC) to say that if it came down to a he said/she said, 'he' isn't going to like his chances, I understand that being the guy on that side of this argument isn't the best position to take, especially in a thread where you snipped off the rest of my post so it looks like this is all I care about. If it was rape, I feel terrible for the girl and he should never step foot on the ice again.