I'm usually going for what's required for 3rd place. In the Hex, it took an average of 15.2 points for third and 13.2 for 4th, which is 21.2 and 18.4 for the 14 game round. I was kind of figuring it might be on the higher end of those since we're bringing in two worse teams into the qualifying that the better teams would theoretically be able to pick up more points against. UMFan also posted the chart, don't know how legitimate it is, a couple days back that showed our chances for auto qualification based on point totals. 23 points was a 95.6% chance, 22 points was 82.2%, 21 points was 61.4% and 20 was 53.5%. So I've kind of stuck with the 22-23 point range as where we need to get to so we're probably good for 3rd. Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was talking about aiming for 3rd place too. Yes, extrapolating the hex will get you to 21 and there was that table that said 23 was needed for absolute confidence, but thus far it looks like that was underselling the lack of stratification in the central american teams that are keeping any of them from pushing that high. Panama is the only central american team above a point per game and they've had The US, Mexico, and Costa Rica all at home, while getting smacked @Canada and being the only team to lose @El Salvador. This can go the other way, for example if Jamaica can get their full team in future windows they've already gone to Mexico, US, and Costa Rica, but the US also has a 6 point head start there. All that said, another caveat would be that the US hasn't played any of their 3 most difficult games(home/away v. Mexico and @Canada) and if you like Costa Rica you can extend that to 4 with that away game too. However, two of those 4 are in the last window and if they take care of business in the next couple windows those are likely to be low stakes. Got it. 4 years ago has me a little skittish which is why I’m aiming a bit higher with the point total.