NorthsideAvenger

Are you CRAZY? None of those players were used as rarely as Dempster has been used in the last 25+ games. No closer would be consistant with inconsistant playing time. Come on, Dempster's been in 11 of the last 25 games. That's very nearly every other game. Let's go easy on the hyperbole.... what do you say ? 04/30 - 05/26 IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA Dempster 10.7 11 9 8 5 11 1 159 4.22 9.28 0.84 1.50 6.75 Eyre 12.3 6 3 3 5 16 2 205 3.65 11.68 1.46 0.89 2.19 Howry 10.0 9 4 4 2 6 2 155 1.80 5.40 1.80 1.10 3.60 Ohman 12.0 9 2 2 3 12 1 185 2.25 9.00 0.75 1.00 1.50 Rusch 10.7 10 6 5 5 8 0 196 4.22 6.75 0.00 1.41 4.22 Williamson 10.7 6 2 2 6 9 0 164 5.06 7.59 0.00 1.13 1.69 Wuertz 1.0 3 2 2 2 1 0 46 18.00 9.00 0.00 5.00 18.00 Novoa 10.7 13 10 7 7 7 2 229 5.91 5.91 1.69 1.88 5.91 Ryu 1.0 1 1 1 2 2 0 27 18.00 18.00 0.00 3.00 9.00 Maybe a "tired arm" then. But I refused to believe that Dempster is done, until he proves he can't do anymore. And I refused to believe this is nothing more then a slump right now. People needs to stop the "hyperbole" of Dempster being the next in the line of "failed closers." Dempster took the heat, for blowing the game, he knew it, and he didn't run from it (unlike Hawkins/Alf) and I respect him for it. He WILL return to formed, and people will be jumping right back on the Dempster bandwagon. (yes, I refused to spell it "the other way.")

Rick Aguilera (was crappy in his time in Chi) Ron Coomer (was he ever good?) LaTroy Hawkins (was good in HIS role, just not as a closer) Jacque Jones (heh) Matt Lawton (steroid, eh?) Mark Guthrie (come on?) Damien Miller (decent pick up at the time) Todd Walker (best former Twin to play for the Cubs) Orlando Merced (Was solid when he was in Chi) Kevin Tapani (blows raspberries) Augie Ojeda (Cubs, then Twins, then Cubs.... :-k ) Don't know if anybody realizes this or not....the Cubs have a love-affair with traded with Baltimore, Florida...but they have an equally disturbing love affair, with former crappy Twins players..... So that is the problem with the Cubs....is that they "limit" their possibilites for improvement to a handful of teams. :roll: Apparently, these players were good enough for the Cubs, but players like_______--declared your favorite free agent who the Cubs didn't sign--weren't good enough for the Cubs. It's both surprising/not surprise to find what kind of info you can find about your team, when they start developing a new trend of suckiness.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3993 You DO realize this is the first time in his career that Soriano has put an OPS over .900 in his career. And in his career he has only three yrs above .850. So yeah, I stand behind my statement that Soriano is "mediocre."

Does anybody over in the White Sox ever think about what they say, before the say it? Kenny Williams just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is an idiot. Sure, Kenny...MLB could have suspended MB the day after the INCIDENT, but MB would have still appeal the decision, which means...Barrett would have still play the game, your friggin, mental midget. Apparently, Williams believes in the "he's guilty because he is a Cub, so he shouldn't get an appeal" theory. Anybody else think....that the White Sox won the WS DESPITE Kenny Williams?

Prolly when they fall to 30 games under .500 and finally admit to themselves....that the season is over.

Whole thread.....:lol: =D> to everybody....who haven't lost their sense of humor.

Yes because, fourth place is alot better then 5th place. Soriano WOULD NOT have made a difference. This ORGANIZATION needs to get into the 21st century, and developed PLAYERS who can play the game, instead of signing mediocre smashers.

Methinks...the Cubs have been Stephen Hyde's "stash" a little too hawd....

And losing The difference is...the Royals made no secret of their desire to be crappy. The Cubs gave their fans "fool's hope" on the season.

Are you CRAZY? None of those players were used as rarely as Dempster has been used in the last 25+ games. No closer would be consistant with inconsistant playing time.

Fair!!?? It's bull. Rodgers got 20 for attacking 2 cameramen and it was reduced to 13 on appeal. 13 for a SP is like 2-3 starts. 10 for a catcher is like 7-8-9 games!!! Yeah, fair. He got 10, he can probably get it reduced to about 8. MB was completely in the wrong here. It was fun to watch, but he was dead wrong. No other Cubs got suspended or fined (although Hendry and Baker should have both been fined for their negligent treatment of one of their own players who actually stuck up for his teammate), Anderson got a nice chunk of time, and Cora got hit as well. The ONLY reason why MB was wrong, was because there were children in the stadium. Otherwise...you are NEVER wrong when you slug a thug like AJP.

On people badmouthing Dempster: Stop. You realize that Demspter has only pitched in 2.2 innings in the past 7 days? I don't care what closer you have...nobody could be effective being used so lightly. NOBODY. And in the last 26 games, I seriously doubt he got consistant time on the mound. So, I would stop the comparasion with ALF/Hawks etc, because they SUCKED everyday...Dempster has sucked every 4 or 5 days. But Dempster is still bettre if he gets consistant work, and everybody here KNOWS THAT. On the 2 run sac fly: :|

Why? Because you still have hope the Cubs could still turn things around and make a run this yr? Trading Williamson to the Reds---especially if the get that Denorfia---would be a solid move for the Cubs. But knowing the Cubs they'd end up with Quinton McCracken for Williamson.

Good to see Jim was garbage picking again, he will go well with the bookends known as Neifi and Rusch. Well at least we can give him a 2 year extension after he has a decent season, and saves us from last place! BCB Jim buys into the "One man's garbage, is another man's treasure" theory.

And while we are at it, maybe the Cubs should talk to Albert Belle, or heck even Jesse Barfield, seeing either of those players would STILL be better then Canseco.

Gonna? That implies there is SOME hope that the Cubs will beat the Braves. The Cubs WILL lose, prolly before the 1st inning is through.

I think Giambi makes it before Sheffield. And yet...neither SHOULD make it. People may JUMPED on Bonds for his "alledge steroids use", but before 1998, Bonds was the prototype of the 5 tool player, he could do it all. Bonds makes it, even tho the steroids clouds hangs over him because of what he did BEFORE steroids, Giambi/Sheffield will only go as far as the Pete Rose "show" outside of Cooperstown.

Don't forget Fast Freddie Bynum. Might as well keep Theriot and call up Fontenot too. Bring up Eric Patterson and there you have it. I was going to mention that the Cubs bring up any medicore 2b, yet the SECOND best 2B in the organization (Walker then Patterson) stays in the minors? You know your season is lost, when you are competing with the ROYALS for the most mediocrely filled, veteran laden team in baseball.

Greenberg and Theriot would not make us "a lot" better off, if any at all. They're marginal utility/backup prospects at best, and as bad as the list of clowns you mentioned have been, they're still probably a bit better overall. The fish will be better in 2 years because they're putting a lot of young talent on the field. Key word being talent. Murton and Cedeno are not quite the caliber of Hermida and Ramirez. We need to face the facts that we have seen the last of the "great" Cubs prospects for a while, except for Pie and possibly Guzman (the one who doesn't walk everyone). AAA is pretty desolate, and AA isn't looking a whole lot brighter. Greenberg/Theriot WOULDN'T make the Cubs any worse then they are now. The Marlins would be better, simply because they have people who knows baseball (not the owner, of course, but still) and does know the value of "The OBP." You're right Murton/Cedeno isn't i the class of Ramirez/Hermida, but Murton/Cedeno has a better chance of fulfilling their promise, whereas Hermida/Ramirez are a boom or bust type players. Considering where the Marlins play...I don't see Hermida or Ramirez showing their "full capaibilities" until they got to a pack that doesn't require a "rocket pack" just to get the ball to the OF. With that said....I'd still take Hermida/Ramirez over Murton/Cedeno anyday, but I do think Murton/Cedeno will be 2 very nice complementary players in the not-so-distant future.

I am, especially if the Cubs don't rush Prior back.

In other words, a raw college player! ...as opposed to a raw high schooler. Hmmmmmmmmmmm... Yeah, because RAW high schools players the Cubs have taken recently, have definately been productivet..... :roll: Have about the Cubs try a different apprach. What O_O and I are implying is that it doesn't matter if it is a raw HS or a raw college player. We'd prefer to take a polished hitter however old he is. Then seeing as there MIGHT not be an IMPACT college/polish hitter available...then the Cubs are.....(fill in your adjective)

A Star Wars reference. :roll:

And this isn't tooting my own horn---- :wink: ----but I always LIKED Cabrera better then Pujols, anyways. If the Cubs could get Cabrera, oh man.....

I want DON ZIMMER. [-(

I vote LH batting practice pitcher. No....I vote for him to be a 2B for the Cubs....