CaliforniaRaisin

I've heard from a few folks that Lou's philosophy has definitely trickled down to the minors.

Never a doubt in my mind. They'll lose their next 3 too. I really hope they can fall to around the 7th pick range. That would be fine by me. Plus being in the 7th spot really increases our odds for a chance to fall into the top 3 and get a stud Even if the Bulls don't get into the top 3, I think all the quality big men will be gone by 7-8 (outside of Hibbert).

As of now, I don't think a LB at 6 is likely - Willis would be a reach, imo. The Bears can trade down - especially if Quinn or AD falls (I think one of them will) - and get the extra picks that most of us would like.

Good post CCP. Off to a different topic, kind of, Briggs is still here, and the trade hasnt happened. Todd McShay has the Bears drafting Dwayne Bowe. I dont know much about him, but isnt he like a rookie version of Moose. Which brings me to my question, if they do draft a WR, do they want a fast reciever or a big possession receiver(or both like Calvin Johnson... dream)? Possession receiver to replace Moose in a year or two. Berrian and Bradley are younger and entering their prime (yeah, Bradley needs to actually stay healthy).

Wilken = draft day god Can't wait to see what he can do with the 3rd and, what is it now, 48th(?) picks. Boy do I want Wieters. Just out of need. Samardzija and Veal (with Pawelek and Gallagher in tow) are a nice group of arms. Adding a catcher like Wieters would sure be nice. Another arm wouldn't hurt, but... Isnt there some question as to Wieters can catch at the major league level? Thats the only thing remotely negative I have heard about him. There are a few questions, but it sounds like he'll at least be good behind the plate.

What kind of sports editor doesn't come in on the weekend, or is out of the office by Friday afternoon while school is in session? I've never met one. During the Elite 8, no less.

Yeah, you're right. I misread that from elsewhere.

Briggs hasn't been 3rd round value in years - that's a poor argument. Sure, I would take an added 3rd rounder from the Redskins, but I don't see them sweetening it. I'd definitely take this deal. So you think Briggs is worth the 16th overall (i.e. 1,000 draft points)? I agree, if that's the case. While I do, I definitely see the other side of the argument - and I think brinoch put it best (surprising :roll:) in the reasoning against giving up the 31st pick. I'd love to get a 3rd or 4th rounder back. I just don't see the Bears getting better value - and this is good value for Briggs. I think Briggs has worn out his welcome, so if the Bears get good value, I have no problem in trading him. The Bears will still have a chance to trade down, especially if, say, a Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson is at 6.

Now he only needs to stick with the Tigers' big league team 90 days next season. Not sure how likely that is since he'll be coming back from TJS, though. Poor guy. :( He has GREAT stuff but has been hurt so much.

:shock: Please be ready to announce this on Sunday! ;)

I haven't seen him around lately-I'm sure he'll pop in and choose them sometime. Of the 7 teams left, I know the board has a Panthers, Seahawks, and Bengals fan-so if those 3 step up, that only leaves 4 teams that I'm not sure there are any fans of on the board. I think I heard Andy had some computer problems or problems accessing NSBB - I'm sure he'll pick the Panthers once those problems are solved.

They wouldn't get anybody that could come close to Briggs' production, and they'd still be desperate for O lineman, not to mention RB depth and secondary help. If you go DT with the 6 and OLB with the 37, then I think you have to go O line with your 3rd, and your already at the 94th pick by then. Your 4th round pick is 130, and by then your pickings will be slim for Benson's running mate or WR help, and you haven't even addressed the secondary. Well its a given that nobody will come close to Briggs production on 2007, expecting a rookie to produce as much as him isnt what is being traded for here. You want Briggs production, wait 10 games and get 6. Even if Briggs isnt traded im going to think hard about burning a high pick on an OLB anyway Brown was just re-signed, drafting an OG with 31 or 37 isnt as much a priority if he wasnt signed. AA in secondary isnt as important high round pick anymore either. You've just described all the need areas, how is not trading Briggs going to solve what you just laid out here. I subsribe to the philosophy that 'it all starts up front.' Especially with this defense. This will be the Bears last chance (baring another trade like this)in 5 years to draft an Impact DT, thats why i jump on this opportunity. Sure Patrick Willis at 6 and an OG at 37 would fill needs quicker but i dont think an OLB is as important at as an impact DT. OLB is very strong in this draft, waiting til 37 to get that isnt that big a drop off from Willis, i would take that gamble. The point of drafting OL wasn't necessarily to replace current O-lineman but to re-stock and replace in the future the aging lineman. Even with the Bears re-signing Brown, the better address G early in the draft. I am not a fan of this aging line.

What he was is meaningless. He is a pro bowler. He is one of the best in the game. And he is very young. Pointing out that he was a 3rd rounder is as meaningful as pointing out that Michael Haynes was a 1st rounder. That has no reflection on present value. Briggs for the equivalent of 2 mid-2nd round picks is not something Angelo should go gaga for. It's something you should consider, but opening up an absolute must fill hole at linebacker is hardly a favorable situation. It has meaning in terms of the additional value we're getting from him over & above what we drafted him at and what we wound up paying him. No, it has no meaning. It's absurd to include it in any sort of negotiations involving a potential trade. It's something to talk about from a PR standpoint, but it's meaningless. I never said it should be included in negotiations. I have every confidence Angelo could replace Briggs with an equal or better player. You apparently don't. From my perspective, we're on the verge of turning a 3rd round pick into a 1,000 point draft point gain. That's significant, not meaningless. Especially since I believe Angelo can replace Briggs with a better ballplayer. Briggs hasn't been 3rd round value in years - that's a poor argument. Sure, I would take an added 3rd rounder from the Redskins, but I don't see them sweetening it. I'd definitely take this deal.

The Cubs still have Fontenot? Why did I think he left as a FA? I sure hope Moore sees a lot of time at SS, but it will probably be Rojas. Heh, probably because the Cubs don't seem to be big Fontenot fans.

It'll be Carlos Rojas and Tomas Perez, imo. I'm sure Fontenot and Moore will get a few games at SS over the season.

Ugh, bad news with Campy - TJS and done for the season:

Ugh, bad news with Campy - TJS and done for the season: :(

Cuz that's Wilken's MO.

Do it Jerry and don't think twice! :shock: I may actually hold out for more for Briggs. He's NOT a system player. I have no clue who the Bears would take at #6. It most certainly wouldn't be a LB. I would make the Skins at least give up a 3rd or 4th rounder also. I agree he isn't a system player, but I also think Briggs + #31 is well worth #6.

Chargers.

San Diego might see a sell out for this one. Gonna be there, BBB? I'll make the 2-hour drive down, for sure.

Only if you actually meant Kimmy Gibbler. Then you'd just be weird. I'm almost embarrassed to say I know who that is! :lol: No need to be embarassed. :oops: I know who it is. And that show is crap. My sister watches it all the time... It wasn't so bad when I was 14. But now I look back, and it's very dorky. I still like it though. :oops: :lol: Yeah, it was wonderful when it was on TGIF and I was 10, but now, not so much.

Ronny is becoming really popular with the Cubs brass - I think Lou would rather have Ronny than Barnes.

Yup.