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Would be a scorigami. Something to root for.

I could see forgoing Brown and just rebuilding the entire interior outside of possibly Jenkins (assuming they don't see any future outside for him). They could possibly be in a position to draft a tackle high, or just let Jones ans Borom develop and hope an elite interior can carry them even if they're merely average.

I can't see how they are going to be in the comp pick discussion anyways in 2023. Maybe if they tagged Roquan or DM they could turn into 2024 comp picks. Jackson has played himself into being kept. The actual money due is only like 13-14M per and he's actually been worth it. While he could fall off from age, they just have very little good ways to spend their minimum cash spend through 2023. Maybe in 2024 its a different discussion. I posted earlier thier minimum spend requirements. They are like a 110M deficit already and that's with $40M to Quinn, Jackson, Whitehair. If they're cutting those guys and also not extending Roquan and DM... It's hard to envision what spending it looks like, unless they're just gonna cut a check and get nothing.

Getsy has actually done a lot more 6-8 man protections that you'd realize. Did it a BUNCH against Washington. The problem is the 2-3 WR routes were being covered by 6-7 people. Guys weren't getting open (understandably), Fields was holding onto the ball (waiting for guys to get open), and 4-5 man pass rushes against 7-8 blockers were getting home. That's the issue with such a lack of talent. Guys aren't good enough to get open consistently, so you need 5 in routes to hope someone beats their man. Guys aren't blocking well enough to consistently protect with only 5. I think Getsy has done a good job mixing things up with protections and routes. He's had multiple TEs on passing plays. He's had WRs stay in to block on pass plays. I wonder what the actual % is of base verse max pass pro they're running. If you told me it was 50/50 or greater towards max I think I'd believe it.

This is pretty unscientific, but if every team played their remaining games to the "expected W-L" record through 6, then you'd finish with Carolina and Pitt as 1-2 and then a 4 way tie with Bears, Arizona, Detroit, and Washington at 6 wins. Bears would then pick 5th under current SOS standing. I think expected W-L is gonna overshoot actual on the low end. The worst teams in the league will undershot their expected W-L. Worst team isn't gonna be a 5 win team. So little variances will make big jumps, but whatever in tier the Bears end at, they are gonna likely fall at the bottom due to SOS.

I don't care what you think about RB value, I'm not trading any player that makes Justin's life any easier for rest of the year. No to Montgomery. I'd trade Quinn for whatever picks you can get. For Ro, I think I'd be interested in a player swap if there was one, say a young, equivalent scenario WR. Otherwise I probably hang on and revisit his long term decision in offseason. If there was a really buy low WR I'd consider, but like day 3 picks at most.

I hate tanking myself, in almost every circumstance, but it's the route Poles took, so I hope they at least execute it well. Them being pitiful but losing out on a top pick due to a SOS tie breaker would be the worst of both worlds.

A hard schedule that was supposed to be 2nd easiest, that ended up being harder because teams in a similar place (Giants, Jets, Falcons, Patriots) ended up much better than the Bears. Ultimately though, I do think some of those teams will come back down to Earth, and I expect the Bears to pick around 6-10. Yea I think some mean reversion will come a little, but the Bears also are burnt up their easy part of the schedule. If I was putting money it, I'd say 6-10 too, but top 5 is still in play.

DVOA is also still only 50% weighted for opponent at this stage of the season, but bottom 5 team DVOA are as follow, worst to "best" IND CAR WAS HOU CHI (29th and 18th ranked O/D) (little provides more schadenfreude for me than seeing IND dead last for all the unwarranted love Ballard got from Bears fans - and Dodds as a result) Their other opponents yet to come by DVOA rank BUF (1) PHI (2) DAL (6) GB (9) ATL (15) NE (16) NYJ (17) MIA (19) MIN (20) DET x2 (24) Very surprised at ATL being middle of pack. Must be the Pace effect. :wink:

Wallow in misery with us, cheeseheads Bears current draft position is 10, will be 11 if Denver loses tonight. They don't have any easy games really left other than Detroit twice. But they're on pace to lose out on strength of schedule to most teams for draft order. It's gonna be when they're bad, but lose out to some franchise changer at 6 v 8 slot or something dumb cuz they had a hard schedule.

I'm also uninterested in crowning GM/coaches a year in, let alone 6 games in.

This is an honest question though, do you believe the Giants are any closer to winning a Super Bowl than the Bears? I’m not trying to defend Poles because there is a path where the Bears could be good this year and still be in decent shape for the future in terms of picks and cap. The Giants may make the playoffs but I’m not seeing where they are set up for long term success. Edit: I guess if you believe Daboll is an elite coach and Eberflus is a turd then you would say the giants are better set up. I don’t think either of those things is confirmed yet, and i don’t even like Eberflus that much lol I think the Giants are closer based on the fact they have a better QB, HB, WR, Oline, front 6/7, and ST as well as a better coaching staff. Jones being a better QB right now is basically irrelevant since he's still not good enough to warrant a new contract. Even at low end starter money he probably becomes a net liability. Obviously Saquon is awesome, but if there's one area I'd least want to have my biggest standout it's RB. One who will also need a huge extension. Very hard to have whatever a market value Daniel Jones and Saquon will be and be a serious contender. Are they still closer? Maybe still, but not to any significant degree. Their argument for being further along comes down to a better line on both sides of the ball. The Bears argument would be based on Fields potential and a stronger cap situation. I'd rather the Bears situation looked a lot different, but the Giants situation is not one that looks like it has high end potential of any sort and they have the hallmarks of an overacheiving team benefiting for some positive variance luck at this stage of the season.

He was tanking. The monent you make your first draft pick, you're building your vision for what comes on the other side of the tank. Your right he's not allowed to pick different positions from his first draft

We don't have to speculate whether or not he will try to build an O. He had an entire offseason and chose not to build an O. You just don't want to see what's right in front of us. He was tanking.

So yea, it's just your traumatized Bears Fandom speaking. Yes they need an O. No, going DB-DB in the first draft (no 1st rounder) isn't necessarily some precursor that Poles won't try to build an O. If he's picking Guards top 20 or RBs 1st round we can definitely talk. When they have a top 5 pick in 2023, he's allowed to draft: Pass rusher (DT only if super duper elite), WR, CB, or OT. In rounds 2-7, it's mostly a value prop (with the exception of certain things like FB)

No one remind my wife that I'm available to do house projects. The bad part is this isn't like the latter Cutler years where I could just watch the first half and figure out if it was good Jay or bad Jay and then tune out and go rake if it was a bad Jay day. With Fields I'm invested in the process, good or bad, and will be back at it every Sunday unless he's hurt.

I dont think the book is written on Gordan and Brisker yet, so you cant say they were busts, even as often as I could get frustrated with Gordan myself. I do share your frustration on not drafting a WR in the 2nd. I don't think they're busts. I just don't care if they're good, we needed offense. Its year 1 rebuild, they needed a lot of things Kyle.

i think he was still pretty good last year, it was just a terrible overpay Yeah a pretty good but flawed player. Certainly not someone you want to commit to as the 4th highest paid defenseman in the league for the next 9 years with a full NTC. Man what an example of a sentence that just keeps getting worse lol

Re pressure and no pressure. Rather than passer rating, here is a chart with EPA rather than passer rating (which excludes sacks) Fields looks pretty middle pack for both. Totally acceptable for a year 2 QB in a broke ass offense. Everyone is worse under pressure (largely to the same degree) , but when the relative instance of pressure increases, it's uh, not good for results.

His average time to throw will be 5.5 seconds instead of 3.5 seconds. Yea but his average air yards will be like 60 per attempt.

Yep. You can run your full pass scheme only on 1st and 10. Any other time you want to pass its 90% two route concepts with a checkdown and maybe another chip option. Everyone else has to block. Then turn those two route concepts into pure progression quick reads for Fields. And just do that over and over to try and speed up his initial play speed through 2 reads. Make sure he practices his sliding abilities. Next year they can get wild and do 3 and 4 progression route combos on more obvious passing downs. a jv game plan for a jv talent level offense Pretty much! My freshman team ran "curl arrow" concept into the ground and I was the TE just racking up 3 yard "arrow" routes. We didn't win many games either. (please Getsy do something a little more intersting that curl arrow though)

Yep. You can run your full pass scheme only on 1st and 10. Any other time you want to pass its 90% two route concepts with a checkdown and maybe another chip option. Everyone else has to block. Then turn those two route concepts into pure progression quick reads for Fields. And just do that over and over to try and speed up his initial play speed through 2 reads. Make sure he practices his sliding abilities. Next year they can get wild and do 3 and 4 progression route combos on more obvious passing downs.

Yea there really isn't a good justification for any of those takes, other than perhaps being a traumatized Bears fan. Weird how I said that exactly what has happened would happen then I don't know what that is in reference to even, or why it would matter. You're saying you predicted his actions or something?

His free agency was indicative of he wanting to wait a year mostly. Maybe grade him on intent of Ogunjobi, but since it actually didn't go through I'll give him a break. Again tankity tank. Not sure what the issue with the draft is. Lacking a scenario like spending a top 20 pick on a guard or something... It was fine. Grade the outcome in 2 years, but the design/approach was fine from a rebuilding perspective. (I'm on the side that they shouldn't have forced any position in the draft for Fields-that's what FA was for, but I think in this context we're trying to establish general team building philosophy, not "how he supported Fields). What was your issue with the draft? DB-DB-KR-value OL is a disastrous draft from a long-term standpoint. I don't want value OL, I want OL in the top two rounds. I don't want a gadget player when we don't have WR1-3 in place. And I definitely don't want our first two picks to be defense. Even your first draft, you're establishing which positions you think are high-priority and which ones you can try to get cheap with. I hate his choices. Yea there really isn't a good justification for any of those takes, other than perhaps being a traumatized Bears fan.

Pretty sure the EPA/play stats disagree with your assessment of how he does when he has time, but maybe I'm analyzing the data wrong from what I've seen. Cannot recall the post however, was there not some statistics of his rating being over 100.0 when given a clean pocket or no pressure? How can that be frequently bad? I'm not super anti-passer rating, but it does have its shortcomings, and it's biggest shortcoming I think particularly has a blind spot to use for the Bears/Fields, which is sacks. Still I thought more comprehensive stats/grades like EPA or PFF grade showed he has done really well when not pressured (obviously everyone does better, but particularly so in this case).