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I'm also uninterested in crowning GM/coaches a year in, let alone 6 games in.

This is an honest question though, do you believe the Giants are any closer to winning a Super Bowl than the Bears? I’m not trying to defend Poles because there is a path where the Bears could be good this year and still be in decent shape for the future in terms of picks and cap. The Giants may make the playoffs but I’m not seeing where they are set up for long term success. Edit: I guess if you believe Daboll is an elite coach and Eberflus is a turd then you would say the giants are better set up. I don’t think either of those things is confirmed yet, and i don’t even like Eberflus that much lol I think the Giants are closer based on the fact they have a better QB, HB, WR, Oline, front 6/7, and ST as well as a better coaching staff. Jones being a better QB right now is basically irrelevant since he's still not good enough to warrant a new contract. Even at low end starter money he probably becomes a net liability. Obviously Saquon is awesome, but if there's one area I'd least want to have my biggest standout it's RB. One who will also need a huge extension. Very hard to have whatever a market value Daniel Jones and Saquon will be and be a serious contender. Are they still closer? Maybe still, but not to any significant degree. Their argument for being further along comes down to a better line on both sides of the ball. The Bears argument would be based on Fields potential and a stronger cap situation. I'd rather the Bears situation looked a lot different, but the Giants situation is not one that looks like it has high end potential of any sort and they have the hallmarks of an overacheiving team benefiting for some positive variance luck at this stage of the season.

He was tanking. The monent you make your first draft pick, you're building your vision for what comes on the other side of the tank. Your right he's not allowed to pick different positions from his first draft

We don't have to speculate whether or not he will try to build an O. He had an entire offseason and chose not to build an O. You just don't want to see what's right in front of us. He was tanking.

So yea, it's just your traumatized Bears Fandom speaking. Yes they need an O. No, going DB-DB in the first draft (no 1st rounder) isn't necessarily some precursor that Poles won't try to build an O. If he's picking Guards top 20 or RBs 1st round we can definitely talk. When they have a top 5 pick in 2023, he's allowed to draft: Pass rusher (DT only if super duper elite), WR, CB, or OT. In rounds 2-7, it's mostly a value prop (with the exception of certain things like FB)

No one remind my wife that I'm available to do house projects. The bad part is this isn't like the latter Cutler years where I could just watch the first half and figure out if it was good Jay or bad Jay and then tune out and go rake if it was a bad Jay day. With Fields I'm invested in the process, good or bad, and will be back at it every Sunday unless he's hurt.

I dont think the book is written on Gordan and Brisker yet, so you cant say they were busts, even as often as I could get frustrated with Gordan myself. I do share your frustration on not drafting a WR in the 2nd. I don't think they're busts. I just don't care if they're good, we needed offense. Its year 1 rebuild, they needed a lot of things Kyle.

i think he was still pretty good last year, it was just a terrible overpay Yeah a pretty good but flawed player. Certainly not someone you want to commit to as the 4th highest paid defenseman in the league for the next 9 years with a full NTC. Man what an example of a sentence that just keeps getting worse lol

Re pressure and no pressure. Rather than passer rating, here is a chart with EPA rather than passer rating (which excludes sacks) Fields looks pretty middle pack for both. Totally acceptable for a year 2 QB in a broke ass offense. Everyone is worse under pressure (largely to the same degree) , but when the relative instance of pressure increases, it's uh, not good for results.

His average time to throw will be 5.5 seconds instead of 3.5 seconds. Yea but his average air yards will be like 60 per attempt.

Yep. You can run your full pass scheme only on 1st and 10. Any other time you want to pass its 90% two route concepts with a checkdown and maybe another chip option. Everyone else has to block. Then turn those two route concepts into pure progression quick reads for Fields. And just do that over and over to try and speed up his initial play speed through 2 reads. Make sure he practices his sliding abilities. Next year they can get wild and do 3 and 4 progression route combos on more obvious passing downs. a jv game plan for a jv talent level offense Pretty much! My freshman team ran "curl arrow" concept into the ground and I was the TE just racking up 3 yard "arrow" routes. We didn't win many games either. (please Getsy do something a little more intersting that curl arrow though)

Yep. You can run your full pass scheme only on 1st and 10. Any other time you want to pass its 90% two route concepts with a checkdown and maybe another chip option. Everyone else has to block. Then turn those two route concepts into pure progression quick reads for Fields. And just do that over and over to try and speed up his initial play speed through 2 reads. Make sure he practices his sliding abilities. Next year they can get wild and do 3 and 4 progression route combos on more obvious passing downs.

Yea there really isn't a good justification for any of those takes, other than perhaps being a traumatized Bears fan. Weird how I said that exactly what has happened would happen then I don't know what that is in reference to even, or why it would matter. You're saying you predicted his actions or something?

His free agency was indicative of he wanting to wait a year mostly. Maybe grade him on intent of Ogunjobi, but since it actually didn't go through I'll give him a break. Again tankity tank. Not sure what the issue with the draft is. Lacking a scenario like spending a top 20 pick on a guard or something... It was fine. Grade the outcome in 2 years, but the design/approach was fine from a rebuilding perspective. (I'm on the side that they shouldn't have forced any position in the draft for Fields-that's what FA was for, but I think in this context we're trying to establish general team building philosophy, not "how he supported Fields). What was your issue with the draft? DB-DB-KR-value OL is a disastrous draft from a long-term standpoint. I don't want value OL, I want OL in the top two rounds. I don't want a gadget player when we don't have WR1-3 in place. And I definitely don't want our first two picks to be defense. Even your first draft, you're establishing which positions you think are high-priority and which ones you can try to get cheap with. I hate his choices. Yea there really isn't a good justification for any of those takes, other than perhaps being a traumatized Bears fan.

Pretty sure the EPA/play stats disagree with your assessment of how he does when he has time, but maybe I'm analyzing the data wrong from what I've seen. Cannot recall the post however, was there not some statistics of his rating being over 100.0 when given a clean pocket or no pressure? How can that be frequently bad? I'm not super anti-passer rating, but it does have its shortcomings, and it's biggest shortcoming I think particularly has a blind spot to use for the Bears/Fields, which is sacks. Still I thought more comprehensive stats/grades like EPA or PFF grade showed he has done really well when not pressured (obviously everyone does better, but particularly so in this case).

You mean... nothing? If you count Mack trade as part of the tear down part, that was really the only major move he made. Nothing else was a significant part of building. There's basically no building move to grade or opine on (at least player wise. I guess you could opine on coaching staff, mostly Eberflus). Presumably those start coming in 2023. He had an entire draft and free agency period to start establishing what kind of players he wanted and what kind of team he was building toward. His free agency was indicative of he wanting to wait a year mostly. Maybe grade him on intent of Ogunjobi, but since it actually didn't go through I'll give him a break. Again tankity tank. Not sure what the issue with the draft is. Lacking a scenario like spending a top 20 pick on a guard or something... It was fine. Grade the outcome in 2 years, but the design/approach was fine from a rebuilding perspective. (I'm on the side that they shouldn't have forced any position in the draft for Fields-that's what FA was for, but I think in this context we're trying to establish general team building philosophy, not "how he supported Fields). What was your issue with the draft?

Easy comp because it's both Bears GMs, but obviously the general point being that most first year GMs taking over rebuilding teams is basically a pointless eval year. Tankity tank. He's accomplishing that. And not to defend Pace per se, but his *actual* issues that did him in, verse what the standard fan acts like he was couldn't be further disconnected, anyways, IMO. I like the fact that Poles recognized we needed to tear down the roster and rebuild I hate what he began building You mean... nothing? If you count Mack trade as part of the tear down part, that was really the only major move he made. Nothing else was a significant part of building. There's basically no building move to grade or opine on (at least player wise. I guess you could opine on coaching staff, mostly Eberflus). Presumably those start coming in 2023.

Maybe seeing Montgomery takes some time, which, nearly half the time, Fields doesn't have, don't how you can properly evaluate a QB under those conditions. Pressure is a QB's kryptonite no matter who that happens to be, Rodgers, Mahomes et. al. are terrible, fail to see open receivers with lineman constantly in their faces. Occasionally, he has plays without pressure. Not as often as he should, but sometimes. And on those plays, he frequently looks bad. Pretty sure the EPA/play stats disagree with your assessment of how he does when he has time, but maybe I'm analyzing the data wrong from what I've seen.

Easy comp because it's both Bears GMs, but obviously the general point being that most first year GMs taking over rebuilding teams is basically a pointless eval year. Tankity tank. He's accomplishing that. And not to defend Pace per se, but his *actual* issues that did him in, verse what the standard fan acts like he was couldn't be further disconnected, anyways, IMO.

Yea at this point I don't have much issue with Getsy, but it's also really hard to know with the talent level. The JV roster as Tony Gonzalez called them, make these evaluations tough. The D I think they can evaluate fairly, but on O... You're doing a lot of projection based on grading on a curve because of the supporting case. I just hope I'm right and this was just a purported tank and Poles isn't going to suffer from some "smartest guy in the room" syndrome. First year GM tanking isn't shocking though. Hope he doesn't flop on his top 10 pick (I'd say top 5, but the SOS probably in gonna bone the Bears cuz of course it would)

Is the draft tie breaker not just SOS? Going into this week bears had hardest SOS of course. They're somehow gonna be in an upgill climb to even tank for a top pick. Edit-okay the only team with a hard SOS right now is Washington, which makes sense as it's the NFC East throwing SOS right now and they're the only bad team in it. So once the NFC East plays more intra division games that SOS will come down a little, but it doesn't look like the weak schedule most thought.

Forgot to mention Reiff and Schofield too. Pringle, etc. St. Brown, Pettis, etc Letting Daniels go was horsefeathering stupid. You can't tell me he wouldn't be a better C than Mustipher. Daniels was drafted with the idea of possibly becoming a C Yea, Daniels back and any decent second OL investment and any decent WR investment and this would be merely a bottom 10 supporting cast, but enough to allow Fields a proper development environment. And it was doable resource wise. Right now his development for the rest of 2022 feels super tenuous. And it was all pretty predictable.

Haters is tough. Just the realists. Can't scotch tape an NFL roster. True enough but, once again, given the terrible lack roster management by Pace and the lack of resources just what could Poles have done? I'm not defending Poles but, people are talking as if he had a plethora of resources and moves available, he did not. Now, next season, a little bit different picture. He coulda spent more money in FA.

Yep, and I think they should have returned to the power gun run deep in the red zone too.