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This is exactly the point. If the peripherals don't show any change, then yes, it is the same as Neifi going through a hot streak. Maybe it means he's showing a little better ability to hit for average(too bad we don't have access to type of batted ball data, BK?), but as it pertains to Harvey, he'd need a lot more than that to compensate for his still poor plate discipline. Do you really think Harvey is going to become a .300 level hitter(or to word it without an arbitrary number, be significantly better at hitting for average) because of this adjustment? If you do, then we're just going to fundamentally disagree. Otherwise we're arguing a matter of degrees that he's going to improve without any changes in his BB's and K's.

I don't think you're reading carefully if you think people are looking for negative all the time, especially when it comes to prospects and the posters who consistently post about them. You're putting words in my mouth. I never said anything was an absolute. The peripherals I'm talking about are his plate discipline, walks and K's. That's the stuff that needs improvement, with or without fluctuation in BABIP. Like I said, he's been better in August and he's also had the report of a shorter swing, so maybe he'll be able to build upon that. If he doesn't, then it's not going to matter that he has a shorter swing if he continues to avoid walks and K at that rate. Unless those peripherals improve, then Harvey needs to be a .300+ hitter at the major league level in order to be a worthwhile corner OF. That's where the BABIP comes in, because in all likelihood he's not going to be able to do that.

I'd bet more people get upset because people still don't understand that Billy Beane isn't a "hero" to most people who subscribe to what is described in the book. People get upset because there is so much misinterpretation that comes up everytime the word "Moneyball" is mentioned it's almost impossible to make a point.

You really should care. I should care that his BABIP indicates he likely won't keep hitting .370 with a .700 slg? I care about improvements, adjustments, and growth from prospects, and he's showing that. Stat's aren't everything. Also, nice job taking a small part of the quote out of context, while adding nothing to the conversation. I've said plenty on the topic of Harvey, even in this very thread. You can't just dismiss the fact that Harvey is on a hot streak when there aren't notable peripheral changes to support that. When a player has a hot streak that is almost entirely held up by Balls in Play(In August he's had a better go of it, although his power has returned to previous levels), it's worth pointing out that it's not sustainable and he will return to his previous subpar production without changes in those areas. And while it's true that "stats aren't everything", stats in the right context are very important. Looking beyond the stats should mean trying to find reasons to explain the performance/stats, not discounting the performance/stats out of hand.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the word of the evening is age. Age relative to level is where it's at, and it's why Pie is the runaway choice for Minor League POY. Felix is playing this entire season at 21 years old. Donald Veal is a year younger and 2 levels below. Much less impressive. Gallagher reached AA at age 20, but he spent half the year at Daytona like Veal. Any disparity is gapped and more by this discrepancy in age relative to level. And remember, Felix dominated AA at that age as well, and has carried it forward where Gallagher and Veal have not. All others are out of the question. Jake Fox is 24 and just making it to AA, Pie will be making Major League All-Star games by then. Scott Moore is a year older and a level behind, get him outta here. Like any good player/team making a run at an end of the season honor, Felix has turned it on during the home stretch. As his team battles for a postseason spot, Pie has caught fire, putting up an obscene .357/.400/.631/1.031 line in August. When the going gets tough, Pie gets going, sporting improved numbers once runners get on, once they get into scoring position, and with 2 outs. Clutch may not exist, but if it does Felix has it coming out of his ears. And let's face it, Pie is the jewel of the system. He flashes all 5 tools, he's been a winner, scouts love him, stat people like him, he's got charisma, he WANTS this award. Vote for Felix. Best prospect in the system with the most impressive showing when you consider the word of the day, age, and the fact that he is at the highest level of MiLB while turning in amazing performances to help his team chase the playoffs down the stretch. Vote for the wrong candidate if you like, many of you already have, but deep down everyone has to admit to themselves that this guy deserves it. VOTE FELIX(He has a great smile too!) http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/18/182285.jpg

Ack! Where has the evening gone? Pie's staggering case forthcoming.

Flippin sweet, it's Bynum

You're going to feel very foolish by voting before the undeniable case for Pie has been made. All talk. Where is this undeniable case? This evening, I promise.

You're going to feel very foolish by voting before the undeniable case for Pie has been made.

Outside of having a high OBP, I completely disagree with everything you said.

A very good batters eye/backdrop?

It's more fun if you wait to vote until the case is made for each player.

Why? Why? Why? Fun fact: The Cubs offense scored more runs before they acquired Lofton than after. Giles, yes. Pierre, emphatic no.

The overwhelming evidence in Pie's favor will be presented later today. Hopefully we won't see a repeat of last year's tragic mistake of Nolasco not winning.

A big thank you to Marcus Giles, Brad Hawpe, and most importantly, Dusty Baker. Without you ruining Prior wouldn't have been possible.

You really should care.

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Wuertz is a freak of nature, Howard, Burrell, then another LH Dellucci.

Oh man, I just realized when the Sox get tired of Ozzie and fire him they'll promote Cora and it'll be like Lord of the Flies.

I'll nominate Pie

I didn't even realize Coats was on the 40 man.

That stat line cannot be right. He doesn't have an OBP above .300. It's OBP/SLG/OPS

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