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Why? B/C CPatt's a major liability offensively. He is clearly not big league material. An absolute joke @ the plate. The games don't matter anymore. Wouldn't it make sense to have Corey try and improve his trade value(or earn a spot on next year's team, however you look at it)? We pretty much know what we've got with Hairston. Besides, with the defensive differential, Hairston's only marginally better than Patterson on the whole.

D. Eckstein ss A. Nunez 3b A. Pujols 1b J. Edmonds cf L. Walker rf M. Grudzielanek 2b J. Rodriguez lf E. Diaz c J. Suppan p There is a reason that line-up wasn't posted. Most people here don't care about the Cardinals. He cares, so he decided to post it, and I reckon that the several card fans who stop by these threads during Cubs/Cards games care too. Take it easy. The key word in my post being: MOST So some people care, and he does, no need to try and instigate something or just antagonize the guy.

I'll wait to see if he continues to do that for weeks.

D. Eckstein ss A. Nunez 3b A. Pujols 1b J. Edmonds cf L. Walker rf M. Grudzielanek 2b J. Rodriguez lf E. Diaz c J. Suppan p There is a reason that line-up wasn't posted. Most people here don't care about the Cardinals. He cares, so he decided to post it, and I reckon that the several card fans who stop by these threads during Cubs/Cards games care too. Take it easy.

I'm starting to resort to hoping someone pulls a Bowden in regards to Neifi to get him away from here.

By the metric you measure success, wins, we were better in 2004 than in 2003. In 2003 we just happened to play in a division with the mediocre edition of the Cardinals, not the Uber edition of 2004. It's only 2005 that has been a down year, and they will argue as such. On the manager opinion, yes that may be true, but every team's fans thinks that their manager is the worst in baseball. That rationale probably holds up when keeping them from getting fired, but getting extensions? That's just crazy.

Hahahahahaha, Bloomquist and McEwing? The guys at FJM should critique that article.

Dusty sounds like he might be lobbying for Neifi: because... ... He always manages to get some criticism in. But hey, Neifi was unlucky.

Bay's young and cheap, and there's no reason for the Pirates to trade him, especially in the division. I don't think he's worth the trouble. We'd have to overpay dearly.

Carpenter's extra innings of great performance are taken into account in more advanced metrics. Clemens still comes out ahead.

Morgan Ensberg doesn't suck. Sarcasm is fun.

The fact that Bobby Hill is in AAA with the PIRATES says all I need to know about his career. Dubois is a dime a dozen guy that can hit fastballs a ton but can't hit anything with a bend in it or play the field. I know, good thing we got rid of Dubois so we could get playing time for....

Pick 135, Bubba Franks, Tight End, Green Bay

Really? That seems like a design flaw. I'm just thinking that the premium members would have 100% access accross the board. Hmmm...., thanks for the info. They have access, but it won't be in the premium format that they paid for. Either way, someone has to add/subtract something to the URL to get what they want.

you dont know what position he plays, but you think he is MUCH better? wtg Maybe he meant he's much better at hitting. When Corey was Eric's age, he spent the entire season in the Major Leagues. Eric spent the vast majority of the season in Low A ball, 3 levels away from Chicago.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=6787&type=pitching&year=2005

i think you're confusing "wins" with "name recognition" and "reputation." last year has nothing to do with this year's cy young. I assume you are referring to Clemens strong name recognition and reputation over Carp. I agree that Clemens will get additional votes based on that, yet last year RJ was almost as popular. Sure, last year should have everything to do with the Cy Young. Clemens lost in almost every pitching catagory except wins. So how did he win Cy Young? If wins are a poor indicator which everyone who is showing man love on here for Clemens is saying. So do we just make this a popularity vote or change the criteria from year to year to ensure the most popular pitcher wins the award. I understand this award is subjective by nature but it would not look good for MLB and the media to pick Clemens this year. I know he has been great this year, but so was RJ last year. The people who vote are stupid. Shouldn't we just be happy that they get it right, even if they supposedly do it for the wrong reasons?

Me and my dad walked up to Busch over an hour before game time and were able to get seats right around face value($35 each for face $31). If you go to the hotel a block away(Hilton? I can't remember the name of it now), there's a bunch of guys with tickets, even for sold out games(we went to the Sunday night game of Neifi's grand slam). I

Well, considering Murton can't play CF, it's not exactly a him v. Corey comparison. Regardless, it's criminal that Murton isn't playing, and I really don't care which of the other outfielders doesn't play to get him in the lineup. No, it really is. Hairston can play center and he's being shifted to left so Corey can play his natural position. It's very valid to compare Murton to either of the two. Of course, Corey is a far superior defender to Hairston, which is why it's not an exact comp. Either way though, I agree with you.

Well, considering Murton can't play CF, it's not exactly a him v. Corey comparison. Regardless, it's criminal that Murton isn't playing, and I really don't care which of the other outfielders doesn't play to get him in the lineup.

And if we are rationalizing the difference between Clemens and Carpenter, lets do so from Carpenter to others. You can make basically the same argument for Peavy over Carpenter. Sure his ERA is .73 higher, but their WHIPs are very close(CC: .98, JP: 1.02), Peavy strikes out more guys, they walk a similar number of guys(CC: 1.8 BB/9, JP: 2.02), and Peavy has a better K/BB by virtue of his significant strikeout advantage. Throw out the team dependent nonsense like Wins and Team Success(although the Padres do look to be playoff bound), and it's the same argument.

Clemens has had a great season, yet so did RJ last year. The main point is that Clemens won the award last year based on wins. This year he is losing in that catagory so everyone who has man love for Roger wants to change the criteria. Funny how that works. Roger does not deserve the award based on K's, Base on Balls, innings pitched, wins, CG, or team success. And to be blunt, his 1.57 ERA is not so impressive to warrent the Cy Young despite losing in almost every single catagory. Their whips are very comparable .92 to .98. Carp should win this hands down, IMO. Carpenter and Clemens have almost identical K Rates(8.07 to 8.03). Win Shares, VORP, Defense Independent ERA, Runs Prevented, they all easily favor Clemens. You can't just toss away an ERA advantage(especially when Clemens maintains that lead in DERA) that large for the sake that Carpenter's thrown a couple more innings, or worthless things like Wins, team success, and CG.

The top 20 in K's, and all of them are productive players, many of them hitting for good to great power.

He was better than Lenny freaking Harris. They both sucked. Belhorn finished 2003 with a .646 OPS playing half the year in Colorado. Everyone's favorite whipping boy (Corey) is at .626 (just as bad) this year, and Neifi is at .702. Point being it wasn't Dusty's fault - Belhorn played until he became a liability and was gone. Harris was on the roster and given first chance to replace Belhorn. He failed also, hence Ramirez. Bellhorn had a roughly .680 OPS when he was benched. Harris in 2003? OPS around .480. That's not a typo.

Excellent statement. In 2003, I ignored Dusty's ignorant ramblings for the most part. But after watching actions back up the worst possible interpretations of said quotes, it's hard to do so any longer. I disagree. I don't think it is an excellent statement at all. I think it has a lot of holes in it. As I stated in my post, I do think Dusty's approach to hitting has an adverse affect on a team's walk total and that he should be fired. But it is unfair and inaccurate to say that he hates walks. He doesn't. No manager does. To say that he does is to also say that he is an idiot. He isn't. No manager is. To say that he hates playing rookies is also inaccurate. He plays the people he thinks give his team the best chance of winning. Sometimes, that happens to be a rookie. It is accurate to say that he values major league experience, and it is a very supportable opinion to say that he overvalues it. But to take some not-so-carefully-chosen words and twist them to support your view that Dusty is an idiot who hates walks and hates rookies is simply inaccurate, disrespectful and letting your frustrations get the better of you. I don't really think that anyone seriously thinks that Dusty HATES walks or young players, any statement like that is misguided or more likely, hyperbole. However, your statement about Dusty "valuing experience", seems to support my point. By saying Dusty "values experience", and way too much according to some, it seems to be a logical conclusion that he is predisposed against those "without experience"(which is obviously not their fault that they haven't made MLB before then). On the topic of walks, Dusty has long voiced a preference for being aggressive, even showing a disdain for walking in some instances. His continued comments, some of which are pretty clear(see abuck's sig) would seem that he devalues walks. Furthermore, this conclusion is backed by the fact that the decisions he makes back this up. Dusty benched Bellhorn in lieu of Lenny Harris. He's had players like Perez and Patterson at the top of the order for extended periods of time. He campaigned for bringing back Randall Simon. All of these support the interpretations of his public words, which were interpreted that he devalues walks.