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Murton keeps hitting, and Neifi almost breaks his leg sliding into home. -
I honestly think my throwing arm might be nearly equivalent to David Eckstein's.
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Just how important is Dontrelle Willis? (Race Bomb)
Transmogrified Tiger replied to imb's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
I'd say that both offensive and defensive lines are pretty close to even mix, especially OL. Funny that FB is mostly a position with primarily white players, yet the first two that popped into my head were Jameel(sp?) Cook and Mack Strong. -
According to Dusty, Murton's real good at hitting lefties already. Let's hit him 8th against one. Oh, and Neifi plays over Walker against another LHP. Criminal.
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Yep.
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Payton has an 4 million team option next year, and Roberts has another year of arbitration before free agency. What about Mora? What does Baltimore need to make him a Cub? Mora has one more year on his deal, he'll be a FA after '06. I have no idea why they'd trade him away though, do they have anyone ready to step in at 3B?
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That list doesn't look like it included guys who have options for next year, as well as a few others, so here are the omissions by what I have: John Thomson(2006 Option) Luis Matos Steve Reed(Option) John Halama(Option) Alex Cora(Option) Frank Thomas(Option) Luis Vizcaino Cliff Politte Timo Perez Carl Everett(Option) Ramon Ortiz(not positive) Ronnie Belliard(Option) Todd Greene(Option) Desi Relaford(Option) Jamie Walker Scott Sullivan(Option) Elmer Dessens(Option) Kelly Wunsch Carlos Lee(Option) Joe Mays(Option) Tom Glavine(Option) Felix Heredia(Option) Braden Looper(Option) Doug Mientkiewicz(Option) Tino Martinez(Option) Tanyon Sturtze(Option) Shawn Chacon Jay Payton(Option) Joe Kennedy Mike Lieberthal(Option) Ugeth Urbina Jack Wilson Jose Mesa(Option) Paul Quantrill(Option) Mark Loretta(Option) Eric Young(Option) Woody Williams(Option) Ray Durham(Option) Jason Schmidt(Option) Moises Alou(Option) Jason Christiansen(Option) Randy Winn(Option) Shigetoshi Hasegawa(Option) Eddie Guardado(Option) Pokey Reese(Option) Jeff Suppan(Option) Larry Walker(Option) Miguel Batista Frank Menechino Gregg Zaun(Option) Obviously not all those options are going to be picked up, and this list isn't exactly a Who's Who of stars, but it helps contribute to an already deep(if not top heavy) class after next year.
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Payton has an 4 million team option next year, and Roberts has another year of arbitration before free agency.
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Yuck. It took everything I had to start that word with a "y". What were you expecting? Granted, there's no Vlad there, but it's pretty talented on the whole, although that could change by performance in the next year. I'll check to see if they missed any guys.
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I guess that depends on how you define regular playing time. If the minimum is at 300 PA's, Burnitz is 50th in OPS. Those are guys getting some serious PT, and it brings up 15 more guys who are better than JB this year. Also worth noting is that Burnitz's OPS was as low as .766 as recently as 2 weeks ago, and at age 37, his likelihood of repeating the previous year's numbers goes down.
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We've covered this over and over again. Bruce Springsteen would have gotten the exact same results (a loss), if he had pitched that day. In the grand scheme of things, do you think that anybody is going to care in September whether the Astros lost that game 1-0, or 13-0? Therefore, Springsteen would have been just as valuable as Clemens that day, if he had been pitching. Unfortunately, Springsteen never got the chance. I know, the VORP doesn't think so. That goes both ways. Carpenter could've given up more runs in many of his starts and still gotten the win, so does it matter if it was him or Marquis or Ankiel pitching? And the same is true for Clemens, in his wins. So that cancels out. So because Clemens's team puts him in the former situation much more than Carpenter's team does, that means we penalize Clemens? Okay. First, the situations, then the team based nonsense. Can't say that I didn't see it coming. I'm not penalizing anybody. His team is penalizing him. Haha, okay, so when Carpenter wins we'll give the award to "Chris Carpenter and all his teammates on the Cardinals". Why did I let myself get back into this?
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He'd only be skipping one level, and he's going to be 24 for all of next season. He needs to start moving quickly. Harvey on the other hand is only 21, he has much more time on his side than Sam.
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We've covered this over and over again. Bruce Springsteen would have gotten the exact same results (a loss), if he had pitched that day. In the grand scheme of things, do you think that anybody is going to care in September whether the Astros lost that game 1-0, or 13-0? Therefore, Springsteen would have been just as valuable as Clemens that day, if he had been pitching. Unfortunately, Springsteen never got the chance. I know, the VORP doesn't think so. That goes both ways. Carpenter could've given up more runs in many of his starts and still gotten the win, so does it matter if it was him or Marquis or Ankiel pitching? And the same is true for Clemens, in his wins. So that cancels out. So because Clemens's team puts him in the former situation much more than Carpenter's team does, that means we penalize Clemens? Okay. First, the situations, then the team based nonsense. Can't say that I didn't see it coming.
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We've covered this over and over again. Bruce Springsteen would have gotten the exact same results (a loss), if he had pitched that day. In the grand scheme of things, do you think that anybody is going to care in September whether the Astros lost that game 1-0, or 13-0? Therefore, Springsteen would have been just as valuable as Clemens that day, if he had been pitching. Unfortunately, Springsteen never got the chance. I know, the VORP doesn't think so. That goes both ways. Carpenter could've given up more runs in many of his starts and still gotten the win, so does it matter if it was him or Marquis or Ankiel pitching?
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Um, sure, if you're simply looking at Wins: Zambrano - 28-13 Maddux - 27-22 Prior - 16-9 Wood - 11-13 But he has the worst two-year ERA of the four, the lowest K/9IP, and this year, the worst WHIP. He also leads the 2005 Cubs in losses, HR allowed, Hits allowed, lowest Pitches/Start, and earned runs. Those facts are misleading... doesn't he also have better run support to go with his higher ERA? Why does the run support matter? It's not like he has a .900 OPS to help make up for the difference, it's out of his control.
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A little off topic, but where did you find this stat? I'm curious what some of the Cubs pitchers are like in the late innings. And I don't know where to look for innings breakdowns like that. ESPN.com's splits pages, make sure to click the "more splits" link.
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I'm too stupid to know what you mean. :? That's not really the argument though. We aren't trying to see which guys will repeat their performance. Matt Murton's BABIP was super high at AA, but that doesn't mean he didn't perform better than a guy with lesser numbers who was more likely to repeat them.
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"More valuable" is an extremely arbitrary term. We've been discussing it for 35 pages. It's arbitrary when you ignore the number of quantitative metrics that favor Clemens when trying to determine how valuable a pitcher is. I'm not ignoring them. The metrics don't tell us everything, though. Last Saturday's match-up was a great example. Clemens pitched well, and came away with good "metric", and so did Carpenter. But Carpenter's contribution to his team was so much greater that it wasn't even a contest. The fact that Carpenter gave his team 9 solid innings (while Clemens gave his team 5), following the 13-inning affair the night before, is somewhat a microcosm of why I think Carpenter often helps his team more than the metrics tell us. I was waiting for the situational stuff to come back again. Guess who the "metrics" said was better on that particular night? Carpenter, he allowed the same amount of runs in more innings, it's not that hard to grasp.
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Carpenter is more effective that Clemens, Lidge, Izzy, Cordero..... everybody, in the late innings. And Clemens is more effective than Carpenter in innings 1-6.
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"More valuable" is an extremely arbitrary term. We've been discussing it for 35 pages. It's arbitrary when you ignore the number of quantitative metrics that favor Clemens when trying to determine how valuable a pitcher is.
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Hmmm.... the number of runs you allow effects how good of a pitcher you are? Never thought of that one... So Chad Cordero is your man? And I thought it was Roger Clemens. To save everyone some time. One of us: No, Clemens has been a good pitcher for many more innings than Cordero. K-Town: Then Carpenter should be better because of his extra IP. One of us: No, even with Carpenter's advantage in IP, Clemens still comes ahead in cumulative statistics such as VORP or Win Shares. At this point K-Town will either go into some bizarre situation to try and denounce Clemens, or he'll go with the wins/team success route, ignoring the previous point. There, now we don't have to have 3 more pages of nonsense.
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Awesome.
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Well, if by second best you mean worse than Zambrano, Prior, Wood when healthy, and maybe Rusch too, then that'd be correct.
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How's the dog's range in the OF(fetch)?
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Personally, I just laugh, and then fall deeper into despair.
