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I don't have the answer to either question but they'd have the most important building block in place. So that alone pushes me into the "dooooooo iiiiiit" camp. You're just never gonna win a ring without one and you're probably not getting one at 20 this year. Although Pace will be 100% willing to trade whatever it takes to get his guy as well being in his last year. Honestly I imagine both teams could put a comparable player pkg together. Tom could probably weigh in on that. That shoulder of Johnson is damn scary to me, as an aside. He flashed star upside no doubt but how often will he actually be available? Personally I don't think we're getting Watson. With Stafford off the board and Watson not a realistic option what does that mean for Bears? Pace is going to do something, I've a feeling it's destined to be something horsefeathering awful. Like I've said, they gotta explore every option. If they don't get Watson, they have to get in on whoever's job Watson affects. If he goes to Miami, try to get Tua. If he goes to NYJ, try to get Darnold. If he goes to SF, Jimmy G will be cut. If he goes to Carolina, try to get Bridgewater. I'd even call about that backup Wolford who started for the Rams when Goff broke his thumb. None of those are good moves (except maybe Tua). But then you follow up with moving up in the draft. I think the Bears can definitely get into the top 10, and the Cowboys at 10 are potentially the perfect target. If they re-sign Dak, they really have no holes on offense except maybe OL depth. They need pretty much everything on defense, but this draft isn't high on elite defensive top 10 talent. They can get a player similar at 20 as they can get at 10, if not the same exact player with QBs, OTs and WRs going early. Plus, they get comp picks after the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th rounds so they have 4 extra picks to work with. I think the Bears could trade to 10 with giving up just 20 and future picks, something like 10 + 2021 4th for 20 + 2022 1st + 2022 3rd. This would be ideal for the Bears given that they don't have cap space this year and will in 2022, so they could focus on loading up on prospects this year and focus more on free agents next year. Still depends on how successful the QB is in any scenario, but this is my guess for Plan B.

Just coming to post this. People have speculated they want a pro bowl level defensive player. This sounds like 2021 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd and Roquan Smith. I probably wouldn't throw in both Smith and Jaylon Johnson. But Johnson + Nichols maybe. Sent from my SM-A115AZ using Tapatalk

Yeah, saw that right after I posted. SMH. Should not have lost that game. That's a horrendous call.

I guess depending on how you feel about McCay v Nagy... Or Donald v Mack for that matter. They've also managed to at least have a lot of mid round picks so as to not be starting at 5 or 6 man draft classes every year. True. Also, they seem to be really good at getting out of bad deals. Both Goff and Gurley were bad deals and they immediately jumped ship instead of just dealing with it. Wonder if the Bears could take advantage of this with Quinn or maybe even Jackson. Sent from my SM-A115AZ using Tapatalk

Just saw the shot. Good lord that's unlucky with the tip and potential turnover before it. Also, I see Lonzo is on the block. I'd love him on this team (immensely helps the D and moved Coby to 6th man and away from the point. They dont really need Lauri in NO but a 3 team deal could be interesting. I know he had a good game tonight, but Lauri doesn't seem like he's long for Chicago. Thoughts? Sent from my SM-A115AZ using Tapatalk

Its funny because I was starting to get down on the thought of a Watson trade. 3 1sts, and probably 2-3 day 2 picks is a lot to give up, especially as you have to replace aging players on defense and bad ones on offense. But hell, the Rams haven't had a 1st since Goff and in one of the last 4 years didn't have a 2nd either. But if the Rams can make it work so can the Bears with an actual elite QB. Probably would have to find more Mooney's, Jackson's & Nichols' in the mid rounds, have some UDFA luck (RRH, Mustipher) and cheap FA luck (Edwards, Gipson) again. Even if the Bears don't win a ring, can we at least see some elite QB play in blue and orange? Sent from my SM-A115AZ using Tapatalk

Its funny because I was starting to get down on the thought of a Watson trade. 3 1sts, and probably 2-3 day 2 picks is a lot to give up, especially as you have to replace aging players on defense and bad ones on offense. But hell, the Rams haven't had a 1st since Goff and in one of the last 4 years didn't have a 2nd either. But if the Rams can make it work so can the Bears with an actual elite QB. Probably would have to find more Mooney's, Jackson's & Nichols' in the mid rounds, have some UDFA luck (RRH, Mustipher) and cheap FA luck (Edwards, Gipson) again. Even if the Bears don't win a ring, can we at least see some elite QB play in blue and orange? Sent from my SM-A115AZ using Tapatalk

The Rams don't have a 1st round pick this year (as usual) so their 1sts next year and in 2023 aren't as valuable as a 1st this year would be. Plus, they basically paid the Lions to take on Goff in this deal. I think if SF offered #12 and another pick next year, it may have been just as valuable to the Lions since they wouldn't have had to take on a bad contract (Jimmy G would just get cut in this case). For those keeping track, the Rams officially won't have 1st round picks from 2017 thru at least 2023. 7 straight drafts.

They basically had to pay them to take Goff as well.

Holy crap! I mean the 1st rounds picks are the key to the trade but not sure why rebuilding Detroit would take on Goff's contract. And I knew Goff was going somewhere. Can't expect to just come back like normal when your coach and GM flat out say they need a better QB. But damn.

Arm strength is limited. I'm also not a big fan of small QBs, who aren't dynamic athletes. There is Drew Brees, who is a HOF 6' QB, but he was drafted 20 years ago. The other QBs near that size are Wilson, Kyler, and Lamar. I mean, he could be Drew Brees. Lord knows he has the pedigree for it. It's not like he's some kind of longshot. He was a top 5 pick and a 3-year starter for the top program in the country. Just never been overly impressed with him since after that national championship game.

He doesn't want 25Mil/year. It sounds like he wants the prestige of a 100M contract. Which could be a 5-year deal. But why tag and trade? If you can fit the 18Mil tag, I don't mind paying him that for 1 year while you get the QB situation together. The Bears are either going to get a legit QB, in which case they can let ARob go after a year and draft his replacement w/a QB in place. OR they are going to get one in the draft, in which case they can either afford him long-term or again let him walk and let the young QB develop w/ a draft WR. The thing about the franchise tag is it's all or nothing. If you tag him, you most likely aren't going to be able to trade him before the draft. That would require Robinson signing the tag and probably the trading team to negotiate a long-term deal he's happy with before the trade can happen. If not done before the draft, the Bears won't be getting a 2021 pick for him. If that's the case, might as well hold out for the comp in 2022. Also, it's not like you can sign another WR with Robinson on the tag. So, even if the trade does happen before the draft, all the top FAs will be gone after 2-3 days of free agency.

I changed my mind. But I've never been a big Tua fan and LOVE Lance who I think has MVP upside.

There is a 30 for 30, "Run Ricky Run" that details that story in depth. Sent from my SM-A115AZ using Tapatalk

In theory, but you get Watson and you have the best QB in the NFC under 32. And we are literally seeing right now what happens when you replace negative value QB play with top 5 QB play. Tampa was 7-9 with Winston and now is in the Superbowl. Granted, they didn't have to trade their early draft picks to get Brady. Where the Bears pick, drafting their own QB probably isn't possible without a move up. If they don't go into the draft with a legit franchise QB, it probably means they are going to trade this and next year's 1st round pick to move up for a QB. You're talking 1 more 1st rounder and some other pieces for a proven top 5 guy. The Cutler trade didn't set the Bears a step behind. Not properly surrounding him with talent on offense w/ the resources they did have did. And frankly, Cutler probably wasn't quite good enough. Definitely not a top 5 QB like Watson is.

I get your thinking. And yeah, on the surface a mid 1st and future 4th for a top QB prospect is a pretty good deal. I just hate the thought of giving up a 1st to facilitate another team getting the best player in the deal. Also, not sure how I feel about Tua as a player. Considering it's 2 AFC teams, I really have zero concern about facilitating another team getting the best player. It's not like the Bears are giving up the best player, they're playing arbitrage here baby! Good point. And I did say that the Bears should be in on all these talks to pick up the scraps. So I'm contradicting myself. F it! Bring on Tua.

He's probably got a better chance of being good than anybody else that would be available with that pick, and outside the top available QBs the Bears probably won't get, he's probably got the best chance of having a solid career going forward. It would be interesting at least. If Nagy can't make it work right away, they can move on with an organizational overhaul with all their important 2022 draft picks available, including what would probably be a high 1st/2nd/3rd. They'd also have the lottery ticket of Tua competing with whoever the new QB is drafted in 2022. Yeah. I think this would be a good way of hopefully setting yourself up for the long term, but if it fails you didn't pay a huge price. I'm *mostly* of the mind that a QB's rookie year doesn't tell you anything except maybe at the extremes. Even then, Baker Mayfield has settled into being pretty solid after having maybe the best rookie season since Luck. Josh Allen is now a star after being hilariously bad his rookie year. I think years two and three are when you start to know what a guy is, and so Tua's story is still mostly unwritten. So especially since Tua had a fairly normal rookie QB year, you buy him based on pedigree. And besides his injury (which I think is fully cleared at this point?) he's got better pedigree than anyone in this draft except Lawrence. If you have the opportunity to get that for #20 and a day 3 pick my gut says take it and run. And as a bonus you don't have to twiddle your thumbs through his rookie season. I get your thinking. And yeah, on the surface a mid 1st and future 4th for a top QB prospect is a pretty good deal. I just hate the thought of giving up a 1st to facilitate another team getting the best player in the deal. Also, not sure how I feel about Tua as a player.

Also, that amounts to 2 first round picks, 1 second round pick, and 2 4th round picks for Watson and a 3rd round pick. Kelemete is nothing, a 31 year old guard who has injury issues and got benched this year. The Bears should easily beat that package, despite not having a top 3 pick. I'm counting 3 1st rounders still. 2 from Miami and the Bears. My bad. I thought the Bears pick was going to Miami when I typed that. Sent from my SM-A115AZ using Tapatalk

LOL. Why the hell would the Bears send a 1st and 4th and potentially more for Tua? Also, that amounts to 2 first round picks, 1 second round pick, and 2 4th round picks for Watson and a 3rd round pick. Kelemete is nothing, a 31 year old guard who has injury issues and got benched this year. The Bears should easily beat that package, despite not having a top 3 pick.

LOL. Why the hell would the Bears send a 1st and 4th and potentially more for Tua?

That's a steep price with such a cost you've got to be certain you're getting back a franchise QB not merely a good QB. It's all academic anyway, a Jimmy G, Marcus Mariottta, Tyrod Talyor type is who the Bears will end up with. Is there doubt that Watson is a franchise QB? But yeah, I don't even think that necessarily gets Watson. I think you're looking at those 3 picks, plus 2-3 day 2 picks (2021 2nd, 2022 3rd).

first impression of his resume is, not great. Career college position coach. Spent some time as a co-defensive coordinator, but only a coordinator outright for four games when his cohort was promoted to interim head coach. One season in the NFL on a terrible team with a bad defense. Doesn't do much to counteract the theory that no top coaching candidates want to work with this group. Nope. I'm choosing to believe this Aaron Wilson guy who I've never heard of that this OLB coach I've never heard of is indeed highly regarded by people I've never heard of.

I heard he's best friends with Deshaun Watson. No not really, but one can hope. Also interesting is his kid Chris Rumph II is an OLB prospect in this draft from Duke. Sent from my SM-A115AZ using Tapatalk