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69.6 Robbie Gould was 63.9 in college. 16-29 in his final 2 seasons Sent from my moto e5 supra using Tapatalk
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Is priority FA another way of saying UDFA? I'm unfamiliar with that lingo. Yeah. Priority guys though are the ones that typically have a lot of teams vying for their services and have multiple offers. Usually guys that had draftable grades. Sent from my moto e5 supra using Tapatalk
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Those are some really healthy roster needs, four relatively easy and cheap positions to fill + basic OL depth wants and needs. I'd always suggest drafting more valuable/expensive positions like more CBs, more pass rushers, more WR talent, more OL, plus an annual QB and buying in FA at 4/5 of those positions listed. Generally, I agree with this. But the Bears only have 1 top 100 pick. And they just drafted players late at WR, pass rusher and brought in the top UDFA CB. I really don't want them to draft a kicker though, and a priority FA at QB would be ideal. Sent from my moto e5 supra using Tapatalk
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I think they actually lack depth on D right now. RRH will be back. He's an exclusive rights FA, means he can only negotiate with other teams if the Bears don't tender him. DL has pretty good depth with RRH, Nichols and Bullard behind Hicks and Goldman. IDK that Bullard is expendable unless you bring in a replacement for him. But other than the DL, and maybe ILB (though we don't know if Iyiegbuniwe can play) they lack depth on D. Questions behind Mack and Floyd. Questions in the secondary if Callahan and Amos walk as the depth would be starting. I'd like them to see if they can maybe pull a player-for-player deal with Kwiatkoski or Bullard, and go after depth at a bigger need position (TE, CB, OLB, OL). I like your trade idea. I think we might be just missing on semantics. Having quality depth at every position is incredibly rare. That would be like having no weaknesses. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that compared to other defenses in the league and previous Bears defensive rosters, they have a lot of quality non-starters. Their biggest weakness is secondary depth, but Robertson-Harris, Nichols, Kwiatkowski, Acho, Bush and McManis are all proven solid (some moreso than others, obviously). Add in Isaiah Irving (who has flashed), Iyiebuniwe, Fitts and Tolliver (who have untapped potential) and that's pretty darn good. Moving forward, they've already got the next waves planned out, but they need to continue to draft well in the middle rounds to fill in the back row. RRH replaced Bullard as the primary 3rd DE (after Unrein left and Bullard became the starter). Nichols is already the primary 2nd DT. (I see RRH and Nichols as starter quality.) Irving replaces Acho next year. Iyiebuniwe has a year to show if he can replace Kwiatkowski or (heaven forbid) possibly fill Trevathan's shoes. We'll see in camp whether Fitts will be a capable replacement for Lynch. McManis isn't Callahan, but he didn't get embarrassed when he filled in after Bryce's injury. Tolliver's got the upside to back-up Amukamura but isn't there yet. To me, there's good depth there. They have needs. I'd expect them to draft two DBs and a LB this summer. On the offensive side, I'd like to see a guard and a RB. What positions do you see them going after? Yeah, I think we agree. I was looking at the POV of depth in 2019 if all guys I expect to leave are gone. They need starters at SS, nickel, punter and kicker. They need rotational depth (backups that will need to see the field) at interior OL and OLB. They need to develop long-term depth pieces at WR, CB, OT, DL and TE. So, I think they will sign 1 FA DB, whether it's Callahan, Amos, or someone from outside. They'll draft whichever DB starter they don't sign early (maybe with their 3rd, definitely by the 4th). They'll probably draft a RB. After that, I think they can go anywhere. If they go with a veteran backup pass rusher, they could just stay with Fitts and Irving for another year. If they go with a veteran backup OG in free agency, they can probably skip that position in the draft for a year. If i had to go out on a limb, I'd say the Bears draft: Safety, RB, OL, kicker, OLB.
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I think they actually lack depth on D right now. RRH will be back. He's an exclusive rights FA, means he can only negotiate with other teams if the Bears don't tender him. DL has pretty good depth with RRH, Nichols and Bullard behind Hicks and Goldman. IDK that Bullard is expendable unless you bring in a replacement for him. But other than the DL, and maybe ILB (though we don't know if Iyiegbuniwe can play) they lack depth on D. Questions behind Mack and Floyd. Questions in the secondary if Callahan and Amos walk as the depth would be starting. I'd like them to see if they can maybe pull a player-for-player deal with Kwiatkoski or Bullard, and go after depth at a bigger need position (TE, CB, OLB, OL).
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Portis and Parker for Otto Porter? You kidding me with this? And they give a 2nd. Wtf? Sent from my moto e5 supra using Tapatalk
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I've wanted them to take an early-ish CB each of the last few years. Toliver is a potential steal as a UDFA. But a top prospect would be really nice across from Fuller long-term when Amukamara is a likely cap casualty after the 2019 season. There's a couple of perfect players for this defense, but probably going to be too far out of reach for the Bears with no picks til 87. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson of Florida is a FS/nickel hybrid with really good ball skills. Darnell Savage is a guy that could be around mid 3rd, so trade up range, but I doubt he's there at 87. Kinda reminds me of Adrian Amos when he came out.
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The bluest of chips. 10th overall recruit on ESPN 300. 27th on Rivals and #3 CB recruit. I LOVE taking chances late and UDFA on guys like this. Elite talent that you hope had poor coaching/motivation that you can get coming in hungry being a non-sure bet for the first time in his life.
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Rumors say 8Mil+ per year. Hopefully for the sake of cap space, it's structured like 6, 6, 10, 10, with 12 guaranteed. But assuming it's not, only room for only 1 of Callahan/Amos. All 11 starters on offense are back, whether you count Miller or Shaheen as the 11th. Throw in Cohen and your top 14 are back on O. Defense has 10 of 11 starters back (9 of 11 if you call Callahan a starter and not a 3rd DL). Other than Amos, Callahan and Lynch every other contributor on D is due back in 2019. Bring one of the DBs back, and you're looking at going into the offseason needing competition for 1 starter on D (w/ Bush if Callahan back, w/ McManis if Amos back), a punter, and the rest are deep depth needs, with emphasis likely on a 3rd OLB, a backup guard, a backup DB. If choosing between Amos and Callahan what is your preference? Remembering the revolving door we’ve had at safety until recently I’m definitely leaning Amos. Also the fact that he’s on the field more and is not coming off a quasi significant injury. Honestly, it's Callahan. The Bears have 23Mil tied up in their starting CBs, 27Mil in OLBs, over 18Mil between Goldman and Hicks up front, nearly 12Mil at ILB. I'd rather not tie 6-8 Mil into Amos when Jackson has to be signed long-term after 2020 (and hopefully before then). Plus, Bush is in-house to replace Amos. Callahan would tie even more up at CB, but I think he plays a more important position, doesn't have an in-house replacement, and doesn't have anyone at his position due for a big pay day....not to mention Amukamara is likely to be cut after 2019.
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Rumors say 8Mil+ per year. Hopefully for the sake of cap space, it's structured like 6, 6, 10, 10, with 12 guaranteed. But assuming it's not, only room for only 1 of Callahan/Amos. All 11 starters on offense are back, whether you count Miller or Shaheen as the 11th. Throw in Cohen and your top 14 are back on O. Defense has 10 of 11 starters back (9 of 11 if you call Callahan a starter and not a 3rd DL). Other than Amos, Callahan and Lynch every other contributor on D is due back in 2019. Bring one of the DBs back, and you're looking at going into the offseason needing competition for 1 starter on D (w/ Bush if Callahan back, w/ McManis if Amos back), a punter, and the rest are deep depth needs, with emphasis likely on a 3rd OLB, a backup guard, a backup DB.
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Its been like this for a while. It's been long overdue to kill it. Have an all pro team and some type of Awards show. Yeah I'm sure for certain players its an honor but the way they replace people really hurts the value of being selected a bit. I mean I love that Mitch made it but it means that he's judged as the 5th best QB in the conference...and that's assuming there wasn't a Pro Bowl alternate ahead of him that declined to go. Edit: Maybe even 6th best QB since Dak Prescott was also added. So all 3 original NFC QBs have been replaced (Russell replaced Rodgers, Dak replaced Brees and Mitch replaced Goff) Agree with the replacements hurting the value, but fan vote and reputation plays a big part in the selection process anyway. And Mitch was probably a top 5 QB in the NFC this year. Brees, Goff, Ryan, and Wilson were clearly better. But Trubisky was better than Dak, Eli, and the Skins mess, neither Eagles QB played more than 1/2 a season. Winston, Newton, 49ers mess, Rosen, all worse. The most competition comes from the North and Mitch won the division going away and could be argued had a better season than Rodgers, Cousins, and Stafford also.
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Probably wouldn't have either. Hypothetically, the WR group would have likely been Juju White (more prominent role) Gabriel Bellamy Wims (bigger role) And maybe a slot WR in free agency. But the point was they probably should have had 4 pro bowlers from the 2017 draft. Juju was at worst the 2nd best player left on my board (I know the Bears don't use or even care about my board). And WR was a bigger need than TE. Sent from my moto e5 supra using Tapatalk
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Just imagine if they would have picked Juju Smith Schuster instead of Adam Shaheen with their 2nd rounder. Sent from my moto e5 supra using Tapatalk
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The Bears were scheduled to play at the Raiders so there will still be 8 regular season home games at Soldier Field. that's what he said. Almost word for word Sent from my moto e5 supra using Tapatalk
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Ah, I knew it was coming. Don't like it, but the Bears were due. And since they are a great attendance team, thankfully it's a road game for them so they still get 8 in Soldier Field. Also means Khalil Mack may never play a true road game against his former team, as the Bears aren't due to be the road team against the Raiders for another 8 seasons. Sent from my moto e5 supra using Tapatalk
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I've been a "Parkey's probably back because they owe him too much money" guy. But today proved you can't bring Parkey back, man. Dude made a 57 yard FG (that would have been good from 70) to send his team to the Superbowl in sudden death on the road. You can't be a great team and have a questionable kicker. Robbie Gould back would be nice, but he'd have to take a significantly lower salary than he'd demand on the open market. But honestly, I'd use a draft pick on that kicker from Utah, Matt Gay. Has a fantastic leg and made something like 5 of 6 over 50 yards in 2017 and I think a 58 yarder this year.
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He also never had the talent the Bears D currently has Yeah, Ryan Grigson is more to blame for the defensive results than Pagano. He was a terrible GM. The defensive players drafted under Pagano in the first 3 rounds in his first 5 years in Indianapolis. Bjorn Werner 1st round DJoun Smith 3rd round Henry Anderson 3rd round TJ Green 2nd round Then in his final year they finally draft 3 defensive players with their first 3 picks.....the year his QB missed the entire season and then they fired him. I think the only bad thing about this hire, is the Bears will either have significant drop off in 2019 or Pagano will be a HC again in 2020.
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As a head coach, I don't imagine he could focus on the defense as much as he was in charge of the entire team, and it was a team that just had the #1 pick and used it on a face of the franchise QB. So, I imagine a lot of Pagano's focus went toward Luck. His DC, Greg Manusky, was an experienced coordinator with 5-6 years experience so I'm sure he trusted him to handle things on that side....though Manusky was never really anything more than mediocre before, during and after his tenure with Pagano.
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It's Pagano for DC. Looked the thought of Donatell, but was afraid he'd be too much like Vic, but not as good. Pagano will likely be different but still good. HC experience is nice too with Nagy being relatively inexperienced. Sent from my moto e5 supra using Tapatalk
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Horrible idea. Cut worthy. Sent from my moto e5 supra using Tapatalk
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Gase gets the Jets job. Rhule back to Baylor, presumably with a stop back to his old stomping grounds. Sent from my moto e5 supra using Tapatalk
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Oh God. I love Vic, but this would be an upgrade.
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Nah. He would have interviewed Monday either way. Just may not have been announced if the Bears were still alive.
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Donatell doesn't have a contract. I assume he'll go with Fangio to be DC but that would likely mean still not calling plays. Sent from my moto e5 supra using Tapatalk
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On the surface, the Bears have 20 FAs with only 20 mil and essentially 2 draft picks (top 125) to add talent. But a closer look shows, there's not really a whole lot the Bears have to lose and most of the FAs are extremely replaceable. I'd cut Sims today. I'd probably also cut Sowell. 1.5Mil is a lot for a backup OT/goalline TE. Acho is another possibility to cut at 2.2Mil savings. I would also expect Kyle Long to be restructured or take a pay cut. Bray- wasn't on 53 over 1/2 the year. Doesn't need replaced Cunningham- 4th RB isn't necessary, was essentially a special teamer only. Can fill his spot with any position and cheaper than 1.05Mil he got this year. M. Burton- FB was inactive most of the time. Ryan Nall can take his or Cunningham's roster spot with no drop off at league minimum Kush- didn't play the last 12-13 games. Could be replaced by a similar player for less than 1.35 he got paid White- obviously gone. Was inactive most of the 2nd half. Wims is the 4th WR next year Zach Miller- obviously never active, doesn't need replaced on 53 Nick Williams- anybody even know he was on the roster? 6th DL all year, not necessary. Can be replaced by player at any position. Marcus Williams- Bears had him or Cooper on the roster all year. Neither played much. 6th CB, league minimum type RRH, Scales, DHC, Braunecker, Coward, and Irving made a combined 3.2Mil last year, and I'm not even sure all of them counted toward the cap due to the top 51 rule. All are RFA or ERFAs. Should bring them all back for a similar cost, and the last 4 don't even have to be guaranteed a roster spot. I'd probably bring back Witzmann and Bellamy for depth. Long will probably get hurt again. Witzmann was OK in his spot. Could probably be re-signed for 6 digits again (790K this year). Bellamy would probably take a deal similar to the 2 year/3.5Mil the Bears gave McManis last offseason. That leaves Callahan, Massie, Amos, and Lynch. I don't think there's any way you re-sign Lynch or Amos. Lynch got 6Mil this year, and i don't see him taking a paycut to come back, even with long-term security, unless he just really worships Fangio. Acho is still under contract so he could be the vet 3rd pass rusher (could also be cut to save 2.2Mil). But Lynch was signed before the Mack trade and I'd imagine he wouldn't have been if the Bears already had Mack. They do now, he's expendable. Amos is probably going to get a big contract, he's the top FA safety other than Landon Collins, who is likely getting franchised. Amos is a really good player, but more power to the team that signs him to a big deal. Probably the least important position on the Bears D as constructed, and Bush is probably the most proven capable backup on the back 8 of the defensive side of the ball. No-brainer to let someone else give him a multi-year deal and reap the rewards of a potential comp pick in 2020. Massie I'd look to bring back. If he'll take similar to the 6Mil he made this year on a 3-year deal (with a year or so guaranteed), he's worth the money as a potential upgrade would cost much more money. Anyone cheaper would be a downgrade in ability. Could gamble on a starting caliber OT being there at 87 or Coward taking a huge step forward, but those seem like really easy ways to get your QB messed up and ruin your season. Callahan i'd probably bring back too, but Massie is more important IMO. Again, I think we're looking at about 6Mil/year. Be tough to offer him long-term with his injury history, but probably have to do it. IF not Callahan, there's some decent slot CB talent available. Darqueze Dennard, Kayvon Webster, Justin Coleman, Steve Nelson Jason Verrett are all guys who could be similar cost to Callahan and are of similar ability. But familiarity played a big part in bringing back Prince and Fuller, so I'd imagine the same would hold true for Callahan. That would bring back all 11 starters, along with Cohen, the top 2 reserve WRs and the top reserve OL (Witzmann). On defense, you only replace Amos with Bush and bring back all other contributors save for Lynch. As for the draft, with the first 2 picks....you don't need an immediate starter which is good because you aren't getting immediate starter talent. So, I'd look most closely at finding potential long-term solutions for players who are older and/or near the end of their contracts. So, looking at long-term replacements at RT, RG, CB (for 30-yo Amukamara), SS (Bush a FA after 2019), RB (Howard FA after 2019), OLB (need a rotational guy, plus Floyd's 5th year option is 14Mil+ in 2020).

