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Indiana really killing UCLA. Looking at their upcoming games they could actually get to 6-0. Before dropping the last 6 games of they year.

No, ALL Running Backs are off the board until at best the second round. In a perfect world it would be third round or later. And to answer the question that probably just popped into your head after reading that sentence. No, I'm not high. It is my position, even back then, that most NFL GM's and Head Coaches were fumbling along as if trying to apply a Dusty Baker like strategy to football. Drafting a running back in the first round. Is like having Neifi Perez lead off the game and then sacrificing him over to second base. Sure, there were times when it worked out and they hit on a player who racked up 1400-1600 yards or so on around 4.5-5.5 yards per carry. And then everyone gets to look on approvingly as if they had just witnessed Joe Morgan discussing the value of the RBI. After Pittsburgh's victory in Super Bowl 14 ( 1979 season ) the old era essentially came to a close. With a few exceptions here and there the Super Bowl started to be regularly won by teams that had embraced this new reality. Ultimately, after the NFL had first implemented a salary cap. And then later mandated that all Quarterbacks wear skirts, it was over for the value of any individual Running Back. It's all about building that group with less valuable draft capital and only on cheap contracts.

Even back then there are plenty of examples of teams not using first round picks on running backs and getting the same or better production out of the running back position. Usually with a running back by committee approach. Some like the 49ers and Redskins even won the Super Bowl.

What super bowl did DIckerson win?

If your happy with Vince Ferragamo instead of Dan Marino then sure go ahead and draft Dickerson instead.

To the shock of no one I think that list should have zero names on it. Eric Dickerson is the text book example of why you don't take a running back in the first round. Here is a list of first round Hall Of Fame players Dickerson's draft class. DIckerson went 1.2 QB: 1.14 Jim Kelly 1.27 Dan Marino OT: 1.6 Jimbo Covert 1.9 Bruce Matthews CB: 1.28 Darrell Green All five were better players at more important positions.

So initially I was going to say ... With his college production at a small school ( Jackson State ) 4-5th round sounds about where he would probably go today. But then I looked up Austin Ekeler's college career vs Walter's. Dam he just might have been a UDFA also.

Watson went 12/23 for 102 in his first. And then ... Oh darn, I just remembered, Never mind.

One or more successful seasons in the west coast offense sure does seem to be a regular occurrence though. And they sure do seem to do it again and again with a lot less valuable draft capital spent. Especially if you go back and look through Mike Shanahan's variation of the offense. Take a little time at football reference and look at the production he got year after year. Weather it was a year with a feature back or a year with a backfield by committee approach it is just stunning how much production they got out of the running backs with so little draft capital. '95-98 Terrell Davis - picked R6 # 195 in 1995 '99 Olandis Gary - picked R4 # 127 in 1999 '00 Mike Anderson - picked R6 # 189 in 2000 '01 the above three shared a running back by committee approach. '02-03 Clinton Portis - picked R2 # 51 in 2002 Special Note: During the 2004 off season they traded Portis to WAS for Champ Bailey!!! and the 2005 R2 #41 pick that they used on Tatum Bell below '04 Reuben Droughns - picked R3 # 81 in 2000 by DET - Signed as FA by DEN 2002 '05 Tatum Bell - picked R2 # 41 in 2004 - in a committee approach with Mike Anderson '06 Mike Bell - signed as a UDFA in 2006 - in a committee approach with Tatum Bell '07 Travis Henry - FA in 2007 in a committee approach with Selvin Young signed as UDFA in 2007 '08 Peyton Hillis - picked R7 # 227 in 2007 in a committee approach with Michael Pittman FA in 2008 and Selvin Young and Tatum Bell. His four years in WAS were more of the same with the committee approach in 2010-2011 and in 2012-2013 he had Alfred Morris who was picked R6 # 173

And most people would be wrong. Put Isiah Pacheco, a 7th round pick # 251, on last years 49ers team and use him the exact same way as they used McCaffery. You get 90-95% of the production that McCaffery gave them. There is no way that little extra that McCaffery gave them is worth what he cost them. McCaffery's cost to SF. 2023 picks 2.61 - 3.93 - 4.132 2024 pick 5.166 Plus $12 Mil in 2023 and $16 Mil in 2023 This summer they had to extend/restructure his contract just to make this years cap number more manageable. Basically just kicking the can down the road. Which definitely won't end well. Meanwhile McCaffery missed the first game this year. Some replacement level type player named Jordan Mason, who was a UDFA in 2022, started for him against the Jets Defense last week and put up 147 rushing yards with a 5.3 YPC Avg and 1 TD.

The best running backs offer so little surplus value, over replacement level running backs, that using any first through third round pick on them is essentially lighting that pick on fire.

I, of course, strongly disagree. For example when Carolina used pick 1.8 in 2017 on McCaffrey. they passed on QB Mahomes 1.10 CB Lattimore 1.11 LB Reddick 1.13 CB Humphrey 1.16 DE Allen 1.17 OLB Watt 1.30 OT Ramczyk 1.32 Any one of the above players along with one of the following RB's would have been much better use of resources then just McCaffrey. Cook went 2.41 Mixon went 2.48 Kamara went 3.67 Jones went 5.182 Eckler was a UDFA I just don't think the drop off from McCaffrey to one of the above Running Backs comes close to making up for missing out on one the players in the first list. The Running Back Paradox Why Running Backs Don't Matter

Any GM that drafts any RB in the first round 1.1 through 1.32 absolutely must be fired immediately. No exceptions. I don't care if you think you're drafting Barry Sanders etc. no RB is ever remotely close to being worthy of a first round pick. A select few might be worthy of a second round pick but that is questionable.

Well as long as Velus isn't taking the snaps this is over.

can't wait to see Dennis Green in the post game interview..

"They are who we thought they were"

Well, at least the punter looks good.

Well at least Carolina is doing their part to make this years pick 2.1

Seeing the replay it looked like if not for the pass interference he would have hit him in stride for a TD.

Oh great, now we are going to get two pages of whining about how he is transphobic because he just assumed their genders.

In fairness, WNBA teams don't need to do much scouting.

But ... but twelve stupid people found him not guilty.

Yeah, I didn't think you meant anything high. But by no trade value, I meant zero, even late ones in this draft. Any of those teams could just use that late pick on a guy and get four cheap years instead of the one he has left. Hell they could probably just go UDFA.

I don't think Herbert has any trade value. I'm squarely in the draft RB's late, Pay them crap. Say goodbye after the fourth year. Braxton is more valuable to the Bears as a swing tackle for the next two years than a 5th rounder in this years draft.

I think more than likely the team that beats them will have athletic guards that can defend Purdue's 3 point shot meanwhile simultaneously shooting well from 3. Basically trading Edey's twos for their own threes.