Larry Horse

Who cares.......it's over

I hope he sends Steve Bartman a monthly stipend....

I think Ozzie can judge the Cubs talent better than the Cubs can

sounds like Ozzie can judge the Cubs talent better than they can....

Vance, I would focus more on heckling the Cubs. This meaningless play from a meaningless game does not change the fact that the Cubs are an embarrasment. That's what I'd be ticked about.

You know the sad thing? That's a believable scenario.

I am suprised anyone could even defend the Cubs on this one. Sullivan's job is to write, Hendry and McFails job is to attempt to assemble a winning team. One can do his job and the others don't want to hear how they are failing in theirs. I wonder if Sullivan stood and bitched out Hendry and MacPhail the day Jacque Jones or Neifi Perez was signed? Same difference, no?

What an absolute embarrassment this organization has become. I hope the Chicago media throws egg all over the Cubs face on this one. I'm getting more ticked off the more I think about this.

I haven't been happy with his whole career either, but for entirely different reasons. I thought the same thing.

Is that sarcasm, goony?

Sullivan is on the Score right now and said all four of them were not together, it was seperate tounge lashings. He said MacPhail got personal with him, but he was not going to elaborate. He said apparently the Cubs think that the writers " should be their house organ." He said I thought I got along with the both of them, until this happened. He said they thought he was "too harsh on Jacque Jones." He said it was definitley the "weirdest beat he has ever covered." Also said that this meeting should have been kept private and doesn't know how it got in the Sun-Times. He intimated that MacPhail had Hendry haven't been happy with his whole career.

And some fans still think a new owner would be a bad idea...........

http://www.theheckler.com/index.php?page=0000-06-05-19-cubs-song&idrub=65&idsite=1 Pretty cool.

Direct Baker quote: "It wasn't a bad play". I agree. It was an inexcusably terrible play that no other player in the majors would have tried unless the infield was back and the pitcher and catcher each had one leg. You want the Cubs season in a nutshell? There's your highlight.

Pierre should thank his lucky stars Jacque is on the team......

This team's a little tougher than the Lansing Lugnuts.......

Hands down the best analysis of this train wreck. Nice work, Bruce.

I heard there was a sign in Philly, I think, that said: "Barry, We can't see, please move your head".

The Twins are a horrible example to espouse the virtues of an individual owner. Carl Pohlad is the richest individual owner of a team in MLB and yet consistently spends the least amount of money on payroll, stadium, etc.... The Twins have won because of management and player developement, not ownership spending money. Like I said, comparing the Cubs to other teams is apples to oranges anyway. but you did compare them, you said to look at the Twins, Yankees, Red Sox, Marlins.... If you look deeper, the Yankees success wasn't due to the fact George spent more money, it was that they developed guys like Jeter, Williams, Posada, Rivera, etc...... Sure, George spent money, and that helped but management and player developement were extremely important. The Marlins have tried it both ways, Huizenga spent money like a drunken sailor and then blew everything up and looked to a different model of acquiring and developing young talent. Ownership has very little to do with anything if you have good baseball people running things. That was my response to Goony's original comparison of the Cubs vs other franchises. I don't think the Cubs should be compared to anyone. They are in a class by themselves.

There is no justification for that last statement. Disney won a world series. Why can't the Trib? They've provided more than enough resources for management to get the job done. The Trib could easily clean house after this season and bring in the right people to get the job done by 2008. They haven't been great owners, but they've hardly been terrible. Every management change, be it managerial or general manager, has failed. That's where my opinion comes from. How could anyone suddenly think they will magically "bring in the right people"? And I don't want a owner that has "hardly been terrible".

I do agree with a nay on Piniella. I'm not a big of fan of their farm system. It hasn't panned out as great as once promised.

The Twins are a horrible example to espouse the virtues of an individual owner. Carl Pohlad is the richest individual owner of a team in MLB and yet consistently spends the least amount of money on payroll, stadium, etc.... The Twins have won because of management and player developement, not ownership spending money. Like I said, comparing the Cubs to other teams is apples to oranges anyway.

The tribune has fired several management types during their reign. Continued failure will affect the bottom line, and these guys will be gone if this trend continues. If you're talking about the Tribune ownership you have to ignore the previous 70+ years of failure. You can't blame them for what happened before. And there are plenty of teams that have been as bad or worse than the Cubs since the Trib took over. Sure there are teams under individual ownership that have enjoyed success. I never denied that. What I am arguing is that fans have to get over the familar crutch of blaming ownership, and put the focus and the blame where it belongs, management. Andy and his crew brought this team from a perennial joke with occasional moderate success, to a team that could be a suuccess year in year out. Where they failed was taking the next step, and capitalizing on their earlier success. Hopefully ownership will make the necessary change to make that last step. But a change of ownership does nothing to guarantee success. Hendry, Hughes, Baker and the coaches have to go. If getting rid of Andy is the only way to get rid of those guys, then he needs to go. But I don't believe a new individual owner brings any greater chance of hiring the right guys to get the job done. This always has been a management issue. Bad personel decisions have derailed this team. That's where the focus should be. My response would be that the Tribune has had a quarter of a century to win a World Series, and they are still not any closer than the day they took ownership. I would be more than happy to give someone else a chance. A change in ownership does not guarantee success, but keeping this current ownership does guartantee failure. The Cubs will NEVER win a Series under the Tribune watch.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/mariotti/cst-spt-jay15.html Good summation.....

To quote someone else on these boards, two wrongs don't make a right. Bingo. Cub fans are screwed.