Fred Hornkohl

What about those who used half their last name? Why, they're half cool, of course !! :wink:

Why is that? I wasn't aware that Pierre had a no trade clause.

bruce miles. He's very creative. :wink: Creativity is highly overrated. :wink:

Fred, are you saying this is a trade the Cubs should do? No, not at all. My conversation with Vance began with his assumption that it would come to pass. I'm not in favor of this trade in any way.

That strategy sure worked well for Cincinnati this year, no? Well, if we're going to suck, I'd like to suck with one of my favorite players in all of baseball on the team. Just like the good old days ?? Well the CUBS didn't win today, but Sammy hit a home run. :wink: That's right, dammit! Give me something to cheer for. It's going to be a long summer.

That strategy sure worked well for Cincinnati this year, no? Well, if we're going to suck, I'd like to suck with one of my favorite players in all of baseball on the team. Just like the good old days ?? Well the CUBS didn't win today, but Sammy hit a home run. :wink:

That strategy sure worked well for Cincinnati this year, no?

here is what Zips is looking at: Name ERA W L G GS INN H ER HR BB K Wood 3.76 9 7 25 22 146.0 115 61 18 64 177 Maddux 4.14 14 14 35 35 215.0 228 99 30 36 129 48 mph fastball ? That really was uncalled for. I think the line about the 48 mph fastball was a result of heroine being injected into his brain. God, I hate when that happens !! :wink:

here is what Zips is looking at: Name ERA W L G GS INN H ER HR BB K Wood 3.76 9 7 25 22 146.0 115 61 18 64 177 Maddux 4.14 14 14 35 35 215.0 228 99 30 36 129 48 mph fastball ? That really was uncalled for.

Even if you sign Pierre to a longer deal, it doesn't mean that you can't deal him or Jones after June 15th, I think. If Pierre works and you can live with Jones and Murton has high trade value and Pie is tearing it up, maybe Dusty can't get Jim fired. That June 15th limitation applies to Jones, who was signed as a free agent. Pierre was under contract to Florida and came to the CUBS via a trade of contracts. He was not signed as a free agent, and signing him to an extension will not change anything.

Another thing that caught my eye from the before/after totals..... P/IP before 15.4 and after 17.8. Here's the complete log for anyone interested...... Prior IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA 04/13 vs. S.D. 6.0 4 0 0 1 6 0 92 1.50 9.00 0.00 0.83 0.00 04/19 vs. Cincy 7.0 4 1 0 2 6 0 98 2.57 7.71 0.00 0.86 0.00 04/25 vs. Cincy 6.0 6 2 2 2 10 1 106 3.00 15.00 1.50 1.33 3.00 05/01 vs. Houst 5.0 7 8 8 3 7 2 107 5.40 12.60 3.60 2.00 14.40 05/06 vs. Phila 8.0 4 1 1 2 10 1 105 2.25 11.25 1.13 0.75 1.13 05/11 vs. Mets 7.0 2 2 1 3 7 0 110 3.86 9.00 0.00 0.71 1.29 05/17 vs. Pitts 7.0 7 3 3 1 6 2 101 1.29 7.71 2.57 1.14 3.86 05/22 vs. CWS 9.0 6 3 3 1 7 3 126 1.00 7.00 3.00 0.78 3.00 05/27 vs. Colo 3.3 2 1 1 3 3 0 55 8.10 8.10 0.00 1.50 2.70 06/26 vs. CWS 6.0 1 0 0 0 3 0 71 0.00 4.50 0.00 0.17 0.00 07/01 vs. Wash 5.0 6 3 3 0 7 1 82 0.00 12.60 1.80 1.20 5.40 07/07 vs. Atla 4.7 7 6 6 4 5 1 102 7.71 9.64 1.93 2.36 11.57 07/14 vs. Pitts 8.0 2 1 0 3 10 0 115 3.38 11.25 0.00 0.63 0.00 07/19 vs. Cincy 6.7 7 3 3 2 8 0 108 2.70 10.80 0.00 1.35 4.05 07/24 vs. St. L 6.0 5 3 3 3 2 3 108 4.50 3.00 4.50 1.33 4.50 07/29 vs. Ariz 7.3 7 3 3 2 8 0 119 2.45 9.82 0.00 1.23 3.68 08/04 vs. Phila 4.3 6 6 6 3 7 3 100 6.23 14.54 6.23 2.08 12.46 08/09 vs. Cincy 7.0 8 3 3 0 11 2 117 0.00 14.14 2.57 1.14 3.86 08/14 vs. St. L 6.0 7 3 3 4 7 1 123 6.00 10.50 1.50 1.83 4.50 08/19 vs. Colo 6.0 5 2 2 2 10 1 118 3.00 15.00 1.50 1.17 3.00 08/24 vs. Atla 6.7 4 3 3 4 7 0 132 5.40 9.45 0.00 1.20 4.05 08/30 vs. L.A. 6.0 8 3 3 0 7 2 94 0.00 10.50 3.00 1.33 4.50 09/05 vs. St. L 6.0 5 2 2 2 6 0 104 3.00 9.00 0.00 1.17 3.00 09/10 vs. S.F. 6.7 5 2 2 3 7 0 122 4.05 9.45 0.00 1.20 2.70 09/15 vs. St. L 5.0 6 3 3 1 4 0 93 1.80 7.20 0.00 1.40 5.40 09/21 vs. Milw 6.0 6 3 3 4 10 1 120 6.00 15.00 1.50 1.67 4.50 09/28 vs. Pitts 5.0 6 3 1 4 7 1 97 7.20 12.60 1.80 2.00 1.80

Prior IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA 04/04 - 05/27 58.3 42 21 19 18 62 9 900 2.78 9.57 1.39 1.03 2.93 05/28 - 10/02 108.3 101 52 49 41 126 16 1925 3.41 10.47 1.33 1.31 4.07

Approximately 35.5 I decided to round up since I posited a few more innings than 200. :D .... and you beat me, too !

Approximately 35.5

But at least he'll rise with the Orioles, win three CYAs, and redeem us for our currently unrelenting negativity. .... and then he'll rejoin the CUBS as a free agent when he's 38 years old and stink the place up to high heaven !!

Yeah.... and you can still be disowned, boy !! If you disown me for this, the terrorists win! Come in off the ledge. We can talk about this.

Yeah.... and you can still be disowned, boy !!

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around your characterization of a possible future event as a fact ??? :wink: Maybe I'm just too optimistic for my own good, but I kind of believed Bruce Miles yesterday when he said Neifi wouldn't be starting. If Baker were fired today I would think that would be the greatest move Hendry could make. Who are you going to believe about Perez....some guy that spends all his time with the Cubs or some guy in Syracuse? :wink: I remember the Dubois thing last off season and him starting in left last year and no way do I see Baker starting Cedeno over Perez. The only way Cedeno starts is if Perez is the SS or Cedeno is the SS and Perez is starting 2nd. What really worries me is who is going to bat second on this team the way it is now. Walkers is as good as gone. Hey, I went to Syracuse once, but it was closed. :wink: Of course, my first choice for a #2 hitter would be Walker, but in his absence, I would really like to see Murton given a shot at it.

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around your characterization of a possible future event as a fact ??? :wink: Maybe I'm just too optimistic for my own good, but I kind of believed Bruce Miles yesterday when he said Neifi wouldn't be starting.

Yeah, same here..... except that BASIC hadn't been invented yet.

If you spring for Premium, it'll only seem like 33 pages !! :wink:

I did some noodling around with numbers to try and see what kind of a team we would be fielding as of this moment, and here's what I found. I started with Zip's projections for 2006. I used John Mabry's actual numbers from last year since I could not find anything on him from Zips. Then I took the actual numbers from '05 for our pitching staff as a whole. I added the whole mess up and found that it totaled 6221 AB's as a team. Last year we lead the NL in AB's with 5584, so I needed to do some fudging. Zips had Patterson and Perez projected at 564 & 482 AB's respectively. Patterson, if he is even on the roster this year will certainly not be a starter, and Perez, in my opinion, will not see anywhere near the kind of playing time he did last year. So, I used a factor of 39% on all of Patterson & Perez's numbers, keeping their rate stats the same as what Zips came up with. I admit, this allocation is arbitrary and incorrigible, but it does serve to bring our AB's down to approximately where they were in 2005, thus allowing for some measure of comparability. Name P AVG OBP SLG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS Pierre* cf .293 .346 .364 162 676 92 198 22 10 2 61 50 41 52 22 Walker* 2b .277 .336 .435 125 451 60 125 26 3 13 57 40 49 1 2 Lee 1b .309 .398 .582 159 593 104 183 44 2 38 114 84 121 14 5 Ramirez 3b .302 .359 .541 142 549 83 166 33 1 32 104 45 75 1 2 Jones* rf .261 .319 .433 145 541 71 141 26 2 21 76 42 121 11 7 Barrett c .276 .342 .468 125 410 47 113 29 4 14 58 37 60 0 3 Murton lf .289 .350 .430 137 470 64 136 16 4 14 56 42 77 10 5 Cedeno ss .287 .332 .412 113 345 46 99 15 2 8 40 20 63 13 4 pitchers p .202 .219 .277 162 336 25 68 12 2 3 18 6 97 1 2 Blanco c .204 .258 .351 81 225 22 46 12 0 7 27 15 39 0 2 Hairston 2b .273 .350 .378 98 333 44 91 22 2 3 31 31 39 9 9 Patterson* cf .252 .298 .418 57 220 29 55 9 2 8 27 14 57 9 3 Perez# ss .259 .288 .353 55 188 18 49 10 0 2 18 7 17 2 1 Mabry rf .240 .295 .407 112 246 26 59 15 1 8 32 20 63 0 0 Totals .274 .331 .431 162 5583 731 1529 291 35 173 719 463 919 123 67 2005 CUBS .270 .324 .440 162 5584 703 1506 323 23 194 674 419 920 65 39 I think you could make a reasonable argument that the roster, as it currently stands, is marginally better than last year. At the same time, it's certainly nothing to get overly excited about. For my part, I certainly hope Mr. Hendry has another big move up his sleeve. Go CUBS !!

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Sounds sincere to me. He's content on turning it around. I hope this signing works out well. Apparently, you have little experience with addicts. They say that stuff all the time....many of them still continue to make the same self destructive decisions. And sometimes you gotta fake it until you make it.

From July 1st on, Prior definitely did not have an ERA above 5. He was worse in the 2nd half, but still not that bad; just a rough estimate by looking at his month by month ERAs I'd say it was probably around 4.10-4.20. He had an ERA+ of 116 last year, which is no doubt disappointing, and I'm hoping for much better next year, but it's far from below average. (Edited for confusing grammar.) You're quite right, SSR....... 07/01 - 10/02 IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA Prior 102.3 100 52 49 41 123 16 1854 3.61 10.82 1.41 1.38 4.31