Fred Hornkohl

This is just too depressing. I'm gonna shut my computer off now and watch the X-Files until morning.

Abysmal... Yeah.... it's pretty bad. But ya know the hell of it.... that putrid walk rate of Jones' is still .002 BB/PA better than the CUBS' 2005 team average !!!

Zips 2006 projection for J Jones..... Name P AVG OBP SPC G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS Jones* rf .261 .319 .433 145 541 71 141 26 2 21 76 42 121 11 7

You mean the pitching staff that has an injury prone pitcher in Wood and a pitcher in Maddux who will regress? Prior and Z go down and so does our season but we won't have the offense to compensate. That's the problem. How much can we really rely on our pitching considering the injury history of some of our pitchers? That's reaching. Reaching is what we did last year and obviously it didn't work out so well. I agree we should nto rely on the pitching. Just what did you think I was saying there ?

Not true. You and I have butted heads all offseason, so while you are under the impression I am all gloom and doom while I'm under the impression you believe Hendry can do no wrong, there is a middle point most likely for both of us. ....I said right after the offseason ended to give me a line up with .350+ OBP throughout and this team will win more games than it loses. so would any team, but that's simply not realistic. name five teams that had 8 .350 OBP regulars in the history of baseball. the 2004 RedSox only had seven, and that includes having the DH instead of a pitcher. Here's an interesting observation. The team shown only had four players with OBP's over .350, but they did score 944 runs, and had a team OBP of .367, even with the pitcher batting in the 9 spot. This offense is right up there in the same stratosphere as the vaunted 1927 Yankees. (who also had 2 starters with OBP's under .350). POS Player G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO HBP SH SB AVG OBP SLG C Spud Davis 106 329 41 103 16 1 14 65 17 20 1 10 1 .313 .349 .495 1B Don Hurst 119 391 78 128 19 3 17 78 46 22 2 12 6 .327 .401 .522 2B Fresco Thompson 122 478 77 135 34 4 4 46 35 29 0 16 7 .282 .331 .395 3B Pinky Whitney 149 606 87 207 41 5 8 117 40 41 1 15 3 .342 .383 .465 SS Tommy Thevenow 156 573 57 164 21 1 0 78 23 26 2 26 1 .286 .316 .326 LF Lefty O'Doul 140 528 122 202 37 7 22 97 63 21 5 10 3 .383 .453 .604 CF Denny Sothern 90 347 66 97 26 1 5 36 22 37 2 10 6 .280 .326 .403 RF Chuck Klein 156 648 158 250 59 8 40 170 54 50 4 13 4 .386 .436 .687 UT Bernie Friberg 105 331 62 113 21 1 4 42 47 35 1 8 1 .341 .425 .447 1B Monk Sherlock 92 299 51 97 18 2 0 38 27 28 0 9 0 .324 .380 .398 OF Fred Brickell 53 240 33 59 12 6 0 17 13 21 2 2 1 .246 .290 .346 C Tony Rensa 54 172 31 49 11 2 3 31 10 18 1 2 0 .285 .328 .424 C Harry McCurdy 80 148 23 49 6 2 1 25 15 12 0 3 0 .331 .393 .419 OF Tripp Sigman 52 100 15 27 4 1 4 6 6 9 2 1 1 .270 .324 .450 OF Cy Williams 21 17 1 8 2 0 0 2 4 3 0 0 0 .471 .571 .588 C Jim Spotts 3 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 Total 1875 5667 944 1783 345 44 126 884 450 459 23 148 34 .315 .367 .458 Unfortunately, this 1930 Phillies team, unlike the '27 Yankees, didn't quite make it to the World Series. In fact, they finished dead last at 52-102, 40 games behind the Cardinals. You know the answer, no pitching. I'm not suggesting that the CUBS' offense, as it stands today, is good enough. The fact is, it is pretty weak. While I have hopes that Hendry will acquire somebody good for right field and maybe Shortstop, the fact remains, IMO, that this team will go as far as it's pitching takes them. There are just too many questions on the pitching staff for me to feel confidant of them right now.

.335-.340 or higher in my book For what it's worth, the league average last year was .330. Just replacing Neifi in the lineup with Pierre puts us at league average. Where we go after that, depends mostly on who Hendry acquires to play right field.

Oh, man..... don't go there !!! Name P AVG OBP SLG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS Perez# ss .259 .288 .353 140 482 46 125 25 1 6 47 19 43 5 3

Just thought I'd throw in Zip's projections for 2006 for the afore mentioned lineup......... Name P AVG OBP SLG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS Pierre* cf .293 .346 .364 162 676 92 198 22 10 2 61 50 41 52 22 Walker* 2b .277 .336 .435 125 451 60 125 26 3 13 57 40 49 1 2 Lee 1b .309 .398 .582 159 593 104 183 44 2 38 114 84 121 14 5 Ramirez 3b .302 .359 .541 142 549 83 166 33 1 32 104 45 75 1 2 Barrett c .276 .342 .468 125 410 47 113 29 4 14 58 37 60 0 3 Murton lf .289 .350 .430 137 470 64 136 16 4 14 56 42 77 10 5 Cedeno ss .287 .332 .412 113 345 46 99 15 2 8 40 20 63 13 4 Patterson* cf .252 .298 .418 146 564 73 142 23 4 21 68 36 147 23 8

Far be it from me to cast aspersions on Mr. Gammons' relative level of native intellegence, but here are some strikingly different projections for 2006 for Murton, Cedeno, and Pie from Zip's. Name P AVG OBP SLG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS Murton lf .289 .350 .430 137 470 64 136 16 4 14 56 42 77 10 5 Cedeno ss .287 .332 .412 113 345 46 99 15 2 8 40 20 63 13 4 Pie cf .273 .319 .409 87 330 59 90 11 5 8 33 20 93 17 10 Zip's didn't do the addition for us, but those OPS totals come out to be: Murton (0.780), Cedeno (0.744), and Pie (0.728). Now, I'm not suggesting for a minute that Zip's is the final word on accurate prognostications, but I'll bet you a cyber nickel that their numbers, in this example, come closer than the numbers you've quoted above.

For what it's worth, here's Zip's projection for Corey Patterson for '06..... Name AVG OBP SLG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS Patterson .252 .298 .418 146 564 73 142 23 4 21 68 36 147 23 8

Did they have a quality leadoff hitter in 1908? Didn't Johnny Evers hit lead-off for that team? Here was his line in 1908: 300/402/375 Well checking with retrosheet, it appears that Evers hit mainly in the 2-spot with LF Jimmy Sheckard hitting lead-off. Sheckard put up a 231/336/305 line in 1908. Tinker, Evers & Chance were all fast guys. The CUBS lead the league in stolen bases with 212 in 1908.

not to mention the fact that Bon jour is 2 words, no?

I gave up watching the BEARS game and started looking at the wildlife in my back yard..... http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/Hornkohl/Deer006.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/Hornkohl/Deer005.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/Hornkohl/Deer003.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/Hornkohl/Deer002.jpg Just as a side note.... I never see any bears in the back yard anymore since I erected a goalpost back there.

I would be ok with that line from Murton. It's not great, but a 280+ average with a 350 OBP would be satisfactory. Yeah, he's definitely a keeper !! :wink: Even if I don't know how to spell projection, eh?

Radical, dude !

Amazing thing about that prevent defense. Orton now has more passing yards than Roethlisberger.

This team never ceases to amaze me !

Two chances...... Slim & None. (and Slim just left town !!)

It is over, Jon.

Just like a CUBS' game thread, no?

Well.... 2 months ago I really thought this team would end up 7-9. What do I know ???

Who are these guys impersonating the BEARS' defense ????

Surprise !! Another 3rd and long.

Moose comes up big again !!

Go Moose !!!