Baker tried Macias/Perez once, but he tried Patterson/Perez far too many times. And as for the idea that he was "experimenting" with Macias/Perez, that is silly. You don't need to experiment with that to know it won't work. It's like me going under the sink and "experimenting" by drinking some bleach. When you have guys who have abysmal career OBP consistently batting on top of your order, that has crossed the line from experimentation to foolishness. Walker, who has more success in the leadoff role than all the other players used in that role last year combined, and who had great success in the first half of 2004, was used as "protection" for Ramirez. Meanwhile, Derrek and ARam continued to have no one but each other to drive in. Why? because Dusty seems to think you have to be fast to bat at the top of the order, with actually being on base to use that speed seemingly an afterthough to him. Nevermind the fact that Perez isn't fast, and was third in the entire league in GIDP, so once every blue moon when the leadoff guy got on, Neifi erased them both. Blindly relying on percentage certainly has its pitfalls, but when you blatantly ignore them in favor of longshot gambles and inexplicable loyalties, you are doing far more of a disservice to your team, and are negligent in your duties as manager. Hawkins is the prime example of this. He was terrible in multiple opportunities as a closer in Minnesota, and that was a well known fact. In spite of this, Dusty runs him out there. He is bad, so Dusty runs him out there some more. He continues to be bad. Next season, Hendry suggests using Dempster as closer in ST. Dusty changes his mind and runs Hawkins out there again, and Hawkins is horrible again. The team is hurt, and Hawkins is ruined by the whole fiasco. Prior throwing 116 pitches with an 11 run lead because his PC was supposed to be 115. Consitently leaving his pitcher out there when there is a lead. Batting Macias as the first PH. Leaving vets out there to stink for long periods. Batting Burnitz in between Ramirez and Lee just because he is LH. Batting Lenny Harris leadoff. Pitching Chad Fox three days in a row and leaving him out there to toil in a blowout when he is coming off an injury and shouldn't even be pitch consecutive days. And on, and on, and on. You can try and spin all you want, but Dusty is a poor manager. And Dusty had good team before 2002, plus the West was a weak division. Matt Williams, Ellis Burks, J.T. Snow, Rich Aurilia, Billy Swift, Rod Beck, Robb Nen, John Burkett, Kirk Rueter, Russ Ortiz and Shawn Estes all gave Dusty's Giants their best years along side Kent and Bonds. Other notables who contributed positively to some of those teams include Willie McGee, Robby Thompson and Livan Hernandez. Many of those players had a few superstar caliber seasons during that run. Dusty had good teams in San Francisco, don't kid yourself.