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No offense but you had the 10 years prior to last. We sat there and listened to people say how the rivalry didn't mean anything anymore because only one side was keeping up their end of it. We listened to all the Packer love from the national media and took it. We watched Chicagoans like Mark R grow up and become Packers fans (in our own territory!). Even if this reversal is only temporary, it was worth the wait. EXACTLY No offense erik, but we've had to put up with obnoxious Packer fans and their "Bears still suck" song over & over again for over 10 years. It's about time the shoe was on the other foot. The shock and awe in Lambeau yesterday was a thing of beauty.

I disagree. First of all, for your theory to work, we have to assume EVERY player is juicing. Otherwise the balancing-out effect just doesn't hold up. Secondly, even if it *was* every player doing it, it's still fruit of the poison tree. Once you pollute the game, there's no longer any basis to judge what the statistics mean. And without that basis, the stats themselves mean nothing. No we don't. I never said it makes it completely equal, but it certainly does level the playing field somewhat. We don't know how many homers Bonds hit off of pitchers on performance enhancing drugs...especially BEFORE 1998, if you go by the assumption that he started taking them that season. I agree that steroids should be out of the game. But there's no way to go back and test players from the past. If we could, we might as well go back several decades and test for amphetamines and other things. More players than we'll probably ever know have done something against the rules to gain an advantage and were never caught, simply because there was no good system in place to catch them. Now, we have drug testing. It might not be perfect, but it's a step in the right direction. Punish the guys who get caught. That's all you can do. Edited to add the word "somewhat." Stupid of me to leave out a key word. I know there's no way to go back---that's my point. And there's also no way to apply faulty logic to "level" the playing field and then say "oh hey well it was juicers against juicers so therefore Bonds' 72 can be judged on the same basis as Maris' 61." I just don't agree with that, and I never will. What I *DO* agree with is that the steroids era has tainted the stats of baseball for this time period, and nothing that happens during this era can be compared honestly with another era, where there weren't performance-enhancing "designer" drugs available en masse. I certainly agree the only thing we can do now is punish those who are caught. Did I suggest somewhere that we shouldn't?

I really think MLB has to start penalizing teams for lying about player injuries. The NFL does it, and it works fine.

how can he say that with a straight face? Probably thinking of all the millions he produced for himself managing the Cubs into the cellar.

QFT Huh? How can you quote a boo for truth? :lol: Nice win by Ohio State. They answered pretty much any critic remaining. Clearly a favorite to go to the Championship game now. I see them ripping through the Big 10 like a hot knife through butter.

I was incredulous too...that was just one person standing straight up tackling another person standing straight up-it was not leading with your helmet whatsover. It's pretty clear OSU will not be getting any of the close calls. No, I'm not an OSU fan.

Wow incredibly bad hometeam call by the refs against OSU.

OK LSU has won 8)

He looks like a computer-generated kid or something. Either than or he's a 10 year old on steroids. Something not quite right about that little one.

Terrible fumble by Texas on the goal line, OSU recovers, scores. 7-0 OSU.

Congrats to Texas and Ohio State for scheduling this game at this point in the season. Not sure it was really all that wise though. One team's national title hopes are sure to be seriously harmed tonight. That and Notre Dame: nobody plays a tougher early season schedule year after year. Cudos.

No, it never would have happened because Paterno doesn't run up the score on people. 2005: Penn State 40, Central Michigan 3 Penn State 63, Illinois 10 Penn State 44, Minnesota 14 2004: Penn State 48, Akron 10 Penn State 37, UCF 13 Penn State 37, Michigan State 13 2003: Penn State 52, Indiana 7 2002: Penn State 40, Nebraska 7 Penn State 49, Louisiana Tech 17 Penn State 49, Northwestern 0 Penn State 58, Indiana 25 Penn State 61, Michigan State 7 You're right---JoePa is a classy guy who would never blow out a team. But, I guess as long as you're laying 56 points on someone in the first half (2005, Illinois), its all good. Its just those third and fourth quarter points that lack class! There's only one moral in college football: win by as big a margin as possible. Anything else gets you questioned, and possibly even fired.

They'll be OK if the defense can improve week-to-week. They've lost 6 really good linemen/linebackers in the past 2 seasons and are very young there. Today was definitely ugly, and I don't expect it to be the norm. They've struggled like crazy in September for the past few seasons for whatever reason and turned it on when it mattered. They'll have a really good run if they beat Iowa State next week. Sounds like that Tate injury is lingering, though. I'd be worried. I usually root for the Big 10 whenever possible, then sort of pick my teams when they square off against each other (I went to a smaller University). Definitely not hating on Iowa.......just saying that didn't look all that great. I watched the whole game though, it was exciting.

Cal scores, leads 14-7 over Minn

Well.....that game was over from the opening seconds. Minny looking stout against Cal for the moment. That's my choice for the next few minutes (OSU vs. Texas). God I love football season.

Nice... We're .500 baby! Someone call up Scotty.

We were just messing around. :wink: your backup QB is awful He's really not that bad. He just had a horrible, horrible game. I really wanted to see Christensen after the first couple of INTs. Not seeing much with Iowa this year Pedro. That's all they can offer up against a ballclub that lost 10 straight games? How are the Hawkeyes going to stay within, say, 10 points of the powerhouses in the Big 10? I'm looking at those games against Ohio State and Michigan and thinking........dead meat.

Please don't tell me this is a statement of endorsement. Does the man deserve to be let go... yes. Did he help at all in his tenure with the Cubs...somewhat. Should he still be treated with respect, because he has treated the fans with respect... yes. Dusty needs to part way. He hasn't really worked out with the organization, and I'm sure he can find a better fit elsewhere. This doesn't mean he should be trashed and humiliated on his way out. He can probably say something to do it on his own. Show him the class he shows the fans when he is speaking to them after games. He is not a good person. He constantly shifts blames to others rather than accepting blame for his own actions. He deserves nothing. cheapseats, being a bad manager, and 'is not a good person' are not the same thing. Don't confuse the two. Johnny B. Baker is wonderful person, nice, charming, personable. Dusty Baker the manager is dumber then a box of rocks. There are the same person, yes, but don't confused Baker's managerial persona with his off-the-field persona. That is true. Baker is an extremely nice and personable human being. The same could be said for Jim Hendry. Neither do I want running my team, but that doesn't mean they aren't good, well-intentioned individuals. Completely agree. There's never been anything to make me think Dusty Baker is not a good human being. This is professional baseball, however: I'll take someone who is less-than-personable if they win games. Since the season has been over for awhile, and Baker's departure has been assured since probably the All-Star break, I prefer to focus on what matters for this team: the future. I'm just watching our young players, seeing which pitchers have something to offer, what is Matty doing in the final weeks, etc. etc. What burns me the most is that I'm almost certain the Cubs will hire another manager who won't rock the boat, rather than someone with the balls to light a few fires if necessary.

In a system where voters tend to look only at final scores, I don't blame Weis at all. I wouldn't have blamed PSU if the roles were reversed. Agreed. Nobody can blame a coach for scoring as much as he can in this system.

McGwire took the 5th when asked if he took illegal performance enhancing drugs by Congress, which is everything but admitting his guilt and cheating. Bonds testified that he "unknowingly" took illegal performance enhacing drugs to a grand jury, also admitting his guilt and cheating. Sosa's guilt can not be pinpointed so easily. The only arguments you can make for him involve a level of assumption. He is a known cheater (cork) and basically broke down when steroid testing began. I'll give you Sosa (barely), but I refuse to accept McGwire and Bonds' records as legit I agree with Easton. None of them failed a test. In fact, McGwire's career was played in an era where no players were tested. Since more pitchers than hitters have been suspended (at both the major and minor league levels combined) since testing began, one can reasonably assume that hitters were regularly facing pitchers who were on performance-enhancing drugs. There are most likely several players who took steroids and other performance enhancing drugs over the past several years. We'll never know who they all are. In my eyes, when you have several "juiced" hitters facing "juiced" pitchers, it tends to balance things out a bit. If players test positive or somehow get caught using something they shouldn't be using, by all means, suspend them, put an asterisk next to their numbers, etc. Until then, I view the numbers as legit. Keep in mind that it's not referred to as the "Steroid Era" because a handful of guys had some monster seasons. It's referred to as that due to alleged wide-spread use of those drugs. I disagree. First of all, for your theory to work, we have to assume EVERY player is juicing. Otherwise the balancing-out effect just doesn't hold up. Secondly, even if it *was* every player doing it, it's still fruit of the poison tree. Once you pollute the game, there's no longer any basis to judge what the statistics mean. And without that basis, the stats themselves mean nothing.

Really? I hate to bring this up, but are we sure we're seeing what we think we're seeing (if you know what I mean)? It sucks that everytime a professional athlete does something remarkable, we as fans instantly think about whether or not the player is taking steroids? Maybe so, but that's the reality of sports in this era. Perhaps the gods of baseball might think better next time of letting performance-enhancing drugs eat up the integrity of their sport. From my perspective, it's once bitten twice shy..................never again will I simply assume an amazing feat is being accomplished without "help."

Bill Wirts, the Blackhawks owner, thinks he can do worse. David Glass of the Royals thinks he has a strong case. James Dolan of the Knicks wants a piece of this action. Donald Sterling of the Clippers puts his team into the fold of worst run. And will, I do I agree the Cubs are a pretty bad organization is sports, I can still think of a few teams that are worse in their history then the Cubs. I think the Blackhawks are still worse. In the baseball world though. Glass has much, much, MUCH less to work with than Hendry. I'll throw Jimbo's hat in the ring for most incompetent GM in MLB. And as for '03, it has become abundantly clear we owe thanks to the Pirates for that little miracle, not Jim Hendry. Glass is the owner. It's his fault there's nothing to work with. Sorry my bad :oops:

Really? I hate to bring this up, but are we sure we're seeing what we think we're seeing (if you know what I mean)?

Bill Wirts, the Blackhawks owner, thinks he can do worse. David Glass of the Royals thinks he has a strong case. James Dolan of the Knicks wants a piece of this action. Donald Sterling of the Clippers puts his team into the fold of worst run. And will, I do I agree the Cubs are a pretty bad organization is sports, I can still think of a few teams that are worse in their history then the Cubs. I think the Blackhawks are still worse. In the baseball world though. Glass has much, much, MUCH less to work with than Hendry. I'll throw Jimbo's hat in the ring for most incompetent GM in MLB. And as for '03, it has become abundantly clear we owe thanks to the Pirates for that little miracle, not Jim Hendry.

Dusty's just honoring his contract now. Nobody should be under any illusion that there will be actual winning taking place @ Wrigley. Those days are gone with the wind. Hendry should have canned Dusty long, long ago. Harping on Dusty at this point is silly. Hendry's the dolt here. This is his ballclub, his choice to keep Dusty around when even a 1st grade kid can see he should have been gone.