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  1. Soul
    Yes, this is also the perspective I am taking on it.
  2. Soul
    I've been trying to point out the overall value of going from #31 to #6, but yes I like the way you put it. This is like gaining the #16 overall.
  3. Soul
    It's meaningless. It's absolutely absurd to even bring it up. He's not a 3rd rounder. There's nothing 3rd rounder about him. We already got the value of him outperforming his pick, thinking of him as a 3rd rounder right now only gives away that value. Your perspective is just plain wrong. He is a 3rd round pick, we still have the same GM who engineered the pick in the first place, and ignoring those facts is, quite simply, putting your head in the sand. This is so incredibly dumb I can't even talk about it anymore. It's actually pissing me off how stupid this is. Think of this: You bought a stock 3 years ago for $25. It's trading at $70 right now. Are you willing to sell at $60 because you've still made a huge profit from the initial investment and have a lot of faith in your ability to turn that $60 into $180? Sorry for making you angry, but you're still making assumptions that you can not make. Why would you assume that trading Briggs at the proposed level represents a downgrade from what his "true" value is? I think you're underestimating the level of upgrade of going from the #31 to the #6. ...which is odd, since you were the one who pointed out the value of getting the #37 for TJ in exchange for the #63. Are you just forgetting that argument now?
  4. Soul
    It's meaningless. It's absolutely absurd to even bring it up. He's not a 3rd rounder. There's nothing 3rd rounder about him. We already got the value of him outperforming his pick, thinking of him as a 3rd rounder right now only gives away that value. Your perspective is just plain wrong. He is a 3rd round pick, we still have the same GM who engineered the pick in the first place, and ignoring those facts is, quite simply, putting your head in the sand.
  5. Soul
    Yeah, I was thinking there should be some sort of later pick thrown in. I don't think I'd be pissed if it was just 6 for 31 and Briggs, but to really be happy with it I'd like to see them get a sweetener. What if the Bears could get the Pats' two picks with that 6 pick? On the points board, that's taking less value. Essentially, you are trading Briggs for one late 1st round pick and a bump up 3 spots on your 2nd. However, having 2 first rounders could be really attractive, given the needs the Bears have and who is available. The 24, 28 and 37 picks in the draft should be able to net you quite a haul. Can we at least agree if something like this was the endgame it would be a decent resolution to the Briggs situation?
  6. Soul
    What he was is meaningless. He is a pro bowler. He is one of the best in the game. And he is very young. Pointing out that he was a 3rd rounder is as meaningful as pointing out that Michael Haynes was a 1st rounder. That has no reflection on present value. Briggs for the equivalent of 2 mid-2nd round picks is not something Angelo should go gaga for. It's something you should consider, but opening up an absolute must fill hole at linebacker is hardly a favorable situation. It has meaning in terms of the additional value we're getting from him over & above what we drafted him at and what we wound up paying him. No, it has no meaning. It's absurd to include it in any sort of negotiations involving a potential trade. It's something to talk about from a PR standpoint, but it's meaningless. I never said it should be included in negotiations. I have every confidence Angelo could replace Briggs with an equal or better player. You apparently don't. From my perspective, we're on the verge of turning a 3rd round pick into a 1,000 point draft point gain. That's significant, not meaningless. Especially since I believe Angelo can replace Briggs with a better ballplayer.
  7. Soul
    What he was is meaningless. He is a pro bowler. He is one of the best in the game. And he is very young. Pointing out that he was a 3rd rounder is as meaningful as pointing out that Michael Haynes was a 1st rounder. That has no reflection on present value. Briggs for the equivalent of 2 mid-2nd round picks is not something Angelo should go gaga for. It's something you should consider, but opening up an absolute must fill hole at linebacker is hardly a favorable situation. Sheesh, goony, hell must be freezing over b/c I completely agree with you again. :D That logic is quite flawed, Soul. Tom Brady was a 6th rnd pick, so should the Pats only get a 4th rnd pick for him? Here's a link to a good draft points page: http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/draft_point_value_chart.htm You're thinking in terms of rounds. That has little meaning. You need to start thinking in terms of a straight up, pick-by-pick draft. Rounds are meaninigless. Draft value is. Brady for a 4th round pick would be an increase of somewhere around 50 draft points. We're talking about a 1,000 point net here.
  8. Soul
    What he was is meaningless. He is a pro bowler. He is one of the best in the game. And he is very young. Pointing out that he was a 3rd rounder is as meaningful as pointing out that Michael Haynes was a 1st rounder. That has no reflection on present value. Briggs for the equivalent of 2 mid-2nd round picks is not something Angelo should go gaga for. It's something you should consider, but opening up an absolute must fill hole at linebacker is hardly a favorable situation. It has meaning in terms of the additional value we're getting from him over & above what we drafted him at and what we wound up paying him.
  9. Soul
    I hope it is Zambrano on the 7th, and not Miller -- for selfish reasons :wink:
  10. Soul
    Think of it this way. In terms of draft points, this would be like picking up 2 mid-2nd round picks. Or, a mid 2nd-rounder and 2 3rd round picks. Briggs himself was a mere 3rd round pick.
  11. Soul
    He wouldn't be trading the 6th pick overall for Briggs. He'd be trading that for Briggs and the 31st. He'd be trading one potential all pro player for an all pro player and a guy who is a little less likely to be all pro. My only problem with such a trade from a Bears perspective is, with 31 and 37, we know they already need O line help, secondary help, and offensive playmaker help. Now, trade Briggs with the 31 for that 6th, and all of a sudden you add one more need, without adding anymore draft picks. The guys who are obvious replacements for Briggs aren't worth anywhere near being a 6 pick, so if you take them, then you are essentially removing much of the value of that 6th pick in the first place. Angelo would almost have to trade down, to try and get 2 later 1st round picks. If you are giving up Briggs and your 1st, I think you have to end up with at least 2 picks when all is said and done. Because all of a sudden you have multiple needs and serious depth issues. The draft point upgrade from 31 to 6 is 1,000. It's massive. You may not be adding another pick, but that's not how it should be viewed because a pick can be turned into more picks. It's about the value gained. This is the exact same reason why most people didn't understand what we gained in the TJ trade.
  12. Soul
    According to The Trib, the two had a meeting sans Rosenhaus this evening. And apparently the Bears offered to promise to not franchise him in 08. And he turned it down. So to recap, he was offered a 6 year 33 mil deal last year, then turned down a guaranteed 7 mil for one year, along with the promise he could hit free agency next year, and possibly get more than the 20 million guaranteed he is looking for..... So we could draft Willis, Landry, Branch, Okoye....... We could draft anyone @ 6. It's immaterial. The point is, Briggs is not worth nearly the 6th pick overall. If Snyder does this, he is confirmed as the biggest idiot in football.
  13. Soul
    Yep. It's been a good long time since we had real pop off the bench. Lefty pop, too. Just stay healthy, Cliff.
  14. Soul
    DAMN STRAIGHT!
  15. Soul
    This time at a bargain basement price, with other BP options available. Not a big deal.
  16. Soul
    Cool. I haven't followed his career very much. Hopefully you're right. There's always a couple under-the-radar signings that turn out great for teams. Let's hope this is one of them. I think Tommie Harris is going to be fine, which means Adams really only has to be as good as Ian Scott. I don't think that's all that hard (though I liked Scott in his role).
  17. Soul
    Hard to disagree with this.
  18. Soul
    Bruins might just take this whole thing.
  19. Soul
    It's interesting that S & DT have been addressed in FA this year, when Angelo usually likes to draft at those positions. I think this signals a change of approach for JA. He's officially out of building mode -- looking for veteran help instead of relying so heavily on the draft. At this point I really don't have much of a clue what Angelo will do come April.
  20. Soul
    Wow.
  21. Soul
    Cialis has the creepiest ads on TV. There are crimes less shocking that that stuff.
  22. Soul
    Pitch like this all year Ted, thx.
  23. Soul
    The radar gun was off. I don't think he actually topped 90. doh, they need to fix those radar readings.. :? Actually, they did fix it during the game. :) How can anyone really know what's correct? I think they're just guessing.
  24. Soul
    I think his point was that Prior's pitches looked more effective, regardless of their exact velocity, which I think we can agree on. The thing I found most encouraging was that Mark actually pitched more effectively. Beyond that, there seemed to be some mild hope that his fastball was sharper.
  25. Soul
    Who's making excuses for what he did? Nobody that I can tell. Seems like some are jumping to the conclusion that if you don't want the maximum punishment (more than the maxiumum the law will allow, even) then you are making excuses. Also---someone mark it down, put it in a database, something: Truffle and I agreed on something.
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