Outshined_One

It's possible, but it also depends on how willing Lugo would be to play 2B.

Nah, usually the guy has to fly into Chicago, get a uniform, get a locker, get settled, and so on. That'll take more than four hours to do. We'll probably see him tomorrow.

Are we talking about possible names on the market prior to the trade deadline or overall in baseball? well.. both..I am trying to be realistic. There was no chance that the O's would have even talked to the Cubs about Tejada. And overall in baseball..... well as I said... I would rather have Mr. Furcal but that wont happen any time soon. So you were discussing realistically available names and not guys like A-Rod, Jeter, BJ Upton, and so on, correct? I would make a case for Julio Lugo over Izturis, in that case.

Okay, I've gotten most of my frustration with this deal out of my system. I'm going to take it easy for the restof the day and tone it down. I went on enough of a rampage to leave a nice wake of destructionand pissed off people who likely blocked me or will be sending me nice PMs regarding my behavior on this board. To those people, I say mea culpa. This deal pretty much pushed me over the edge. It wasn't anything personal against any of you, but it was more that I've been needing to vent about this team for awhile now.

It's sad to see them go like this. Both were classy guys during their time here. Walker had some issues with the front office and management, but he was always respectful and friendly with the fans. Despite spending his prime in Atlanta, it was nice to see Maddux get one last shot with the Cubs in an attempt to make it back to the playoffs. Things didn't exactly go as planned, but I will always fondly remember both.

Are we talking about possible names on the market prior to the trade deadline or overall in baseball?

*Cracks whip* Back to Rants with you! :P

I'm not the only one who finds most scouting reports really creepy, am I? "GOOD, FLUID HIPS. RIPPLING BICEPS! HANDLES BAT FIRLMLY, YET GENTLY. SURPRISINGLY SOFT HANDS."

We won't know what this offense will look like in 2007 until the 2006 World Series is decided. After that, expect a cheap and poorly made knockoff of the team who won it.

Hawkins to the Giants for Williams and Aardsma was what I was referring to. I think that's the only sell Hendry actually pulled off well during his time with this team.

Wait, wait... Are you saying the Cubs are picking up Izturis' option in 2008 as part of this deal?

By God, you're right! John Schuerholtz, Bill Stoneman, they don't give a rats' ass for stats! They just go out there and acquire players who just look good dag nabbit! Any time they see a computer, they get the urge to pull out a Louisville Slugger and tee off on it because computers are the devil! Stats LIE to people! They are a horrible evil that should be wiped from the planet. I don't care if stats tell me that Neifi Perez is one of the most worthless hitters in the history of baseball, by God, HE LOOKS LIKE A BASEBALL PLAYER! He has to be great! Who gives a crap about walks? Only sissies and women take the damn things. Real men swing at every pitch they think they can hit, no matter how far out of the zone it is! Arthritis? Pft, Izturis can get over that. Arthritis is a temporary thing; thats' what my gut tells me! Enough with the shenanigans, here's my bottom line. This organization hasn't won anything of value in nearly 100 years. It's been over 60 years since they even made it to the friggin' World Series. I know they've almost made it on a few occasions, but almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. This organization celebrates when the team posts back to back winning seasons. That's not a good thing; that's an absolute disgrace. Hendry has made a few good moves in the past (Nomar, Hawkins, Ramirez), but it's clear the direction this organization is moving is a terrible one. This team has a $100m payroll and yet they're only ahead of the D-Rays, Royals, and Pirates in terms of record? They're seriously among the worst in the league in runs scored and in various pitching categories; is this a joke? I've had enough of the way the front office thinks. They think OBP is only important, but that guys who have high averages are preferable because they simply MUST have good OBPs! They don't preach good plate discipline and they have an incompetent coaching staff in the majors. Why the hell do you think it's been so long since this organization actually turned out a competent position player? Enough already with the dinosaur way of thinking; it doesn't work. This team won't go anywhere if it continues being stubborn in its line of thinking.

Peter Angelos turned down the following deals for Tejada: Ervin Santana & Willy Aybar Roy Oswalt, Brad Lidge, and Adam Everett (I believe the Orioles would throw in a prospect or two in this deal) Along with the rumored Prior/Cedeno deals before we all found out that some one took Prior out of his bubble wrap a few weeks too early. If the Orioles won't accept those deals, would it really be a good idea to go after Tejada considering what Angelos likely would want?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... My bad, I started hitting the bottle the moment I saw this trade go down.

"No no! Wait! I said 'vacuum'"!

Fixed.

You are wrong. Best case scenario is Cubs package Cedeno, and Murton, for a better fielding left fielder than Murton. That's pretty much my scenario, actually.

Hendry said he'd be ready to go Thursday.

Cubs package Cedeno in a deal with other players for a top pitcher or hitter in the offseason. They'll have the depth at 2B/SS with guys like Fontenot, Theriot, Izturis, and Neifi able to play there. Cedeno has the highest ceiling of the four and might be able to attract some interest from a team looking to add cheap middle infield help.

They could have dealt for Tejada and moved Cedeno to 2B and not have had much of a dropoff in production from Izturis. Plus they would have had the extra money to pay Tejada's salary next year and still have some leftover cash to help out with some acquisitions and trades.

I want to die. I want to die alongside him. :-s

I want to die.

Kudos to the mods for the thread title change.

I was dreaming big with LaRoche and I knew it wasn't happening in all likelihood. I would have taken a C level prospect in short season A ball over this garbage.

We got a guy with degenerative arthritis for pete's sake!!!!!!