UMFan83

I didn't realize there are professional authorities on how to deal with a loss, and that they know of the only correct way to deal with a loss. I didn't realize that people's emotions are all wired same exact way. I also didn't realize that it is other people's missions to let inform people of this one and only way to emotionally react to situations. Luckily these professionals all reside on this forum. Once you have trained the masses here, we can finally be assured that everyone thinks and acts the same so we can have some interesting and lively discussions. what does this have to do with anything? you said that acting calm about a baseball team's loss is more embarrassing than acting like a child. which is stupid. I was indirectly responding to everyone who acts like they are superior to people who outwardly show their emotions by pretending like they are the rocks of emotional stability. And actually its not just that, I don't even mind that, its easily dismissable. It's the fact that they need to point itout every single time. We're not going to agree on this IMB! so lets just drop it.

I didn't backtrack. You are entitled to your way of thinking. This isn't a true/false question, there is no right or wrong. But your reaction is over the top and will elicit a wow from me because it seems over the top. Well next time explain yourself instead of just saying "Wow". I don't see how it adds much to the discussion. :?:

I didn't realize there are professional authorities on how to deal with a loss, and that they know of the only correct way to deal with a loss. I didn't realize that people's emotions are all wired same exact way. I also didn't realize that it is other people's missions to let inform people of this one and only way to emotionally react to situations. Luckily these professionals all reside on this forum. Once you have trained the masses here, we can finally be assured that everyone thinks and acts the same so we can have some interesting and lively discussions. Then why are you mad that Soriano was smiling? Aha! I knew you thought I was wrong in thinking that way. Just admit it instead of saying "Wow" and then backtracking. But also, decently valid point. You got me there. More than likely my bitterness of his playoff performance factored into taking offense at seeing that picture, and elicited an emotional response that I posted because this board is my emotional outlet.

I didn't realize there are professional authorities on how to deal with a loss, and that they know of the only correct way to deal with a loss. I didn't realize that people's emotions are all wired same exact way. I also didn't realize that it is other people's missions to let inform people of this one and only way to emotionally react to situations. Luckily these professionals all reside on this forum. Once you have trained the masses here, we can finally be assured that everyone thinks and acts the same so we can have some interesting and lively discussions.

far more embarrassing than soriano's performance in the NLDS, actually. Doubtful.

I know I know, I'm definitely overreacting to the photos. I just can't get over the fact that the players typically care about the results less than we do. Plus pretty much everything Soriano has done since the regular season ended has pissed me off. I mean why should he care, he makes $18 million a year, cheats on his wife whenever he wants, can pretty much buy whatever he wants, and has the next 4 months off basically (obviously he'll be working out and stuff). Have you honestly not smiled since Saturday? Of course I have. But not to anything Cubs related. Just because Soriano is a Cub doesn't mean he's smiling to anything Cub related. I just think its odd that while coming to Wrigley Field, making his first public appearance since a disastrous postseason (both for himself and the team) he is seen yucking it up like he doesn't have a care in the world. I would guess having millions of dollars to fall back on would do that to you. Again, I'm overreacting, I know, it just strikes me the wrong way. And honestly, if it doesn't make some of the comments he made after the game, I probably don't think twice about the photos. I'm probably taking the photo well out of context though. get a grip, jesus I'm gripped quite well thank you. And I'm not Jesus, but I appreciate the comparison.

I know I know, I'm definitely overreacting to the photos. I just can't get over the fact that the players typically care about the results less than we do. Plus pretty much everything Soriano has done since the regular season ended has pissed me off. I mean why should he care, he makes $18 million a year, cheats on his wife whenever he wants, can pretty much buy whatever he wants, and has the next 4 months off basically (obviously he'll be working out and stuff). Wow. Care to explain? I hate when people respond to things in this fashion. Serves no purpose other than to essentially say 'wow you couldnt be more wrong and theres no room for argument'

Agree its not the best place to invest money, but we should really have a better option off the bench vs. RH than Ronny Cedeno (when Edmonds is playing)

Yeah, I hear ya. I'm not like depressed over it anymore. It's not effecting my day to day life or anything. But I'm still bitter about the end of the season, and I probably will be for awhile. So when I see Soriano laughing it up, my emotional response is to be angry at him for seemingly not caring. My rational side tells me that it probably doesn't matter whether he showed up laughing or showed up blasting Linkin Park and wearing emo clothes, because its not going to effect his performance for next year.

I was looking at the Football outsiders statistical breakdowns and I found it interesting that the Bears offensive line was still ranked 29th in the league. I hear analysts on the radio say that the offensive line is holding its own this year, but honestly it really hasn't. The Bears have succeeded in spite of their O-line.

I don't know if this makes sense, but its possible he had good pocket awareness because his linemen were not as big in college. I think Grossman's size definitely has an effect on his ability. But I'm not a football scouting expert at all, so I could be very wrong.

I just can't get over the fact that the players typically care about the results less than we do. well, that just isn't true. and if it was true, and you really do care more about the cubs postseason than the players, you should probably re-examine your priorities in life. Nah, I don't think I need to re-examine my priorities. I am still a bit broken up about the loss. We'll never quite know who cares more, the fans or the players. Players lose a big game and they will go out for dinner and drinks, fans will go home and sulk and be upset. Fans spend money to support their team, players make money playing for their team. Players go home after the season, fans sit around and talk about it. Bottom line is, sports are entertainment. Entertainment is a diversion to everyday life. No matter how pathetic people think it is, people use sports as an emotional crutch all the time. They make sports teams an extension of them, and when they latch onto a team, they latch onto them for life. It's like a family. A player might take a loss hard, but then again he might be traded that offseason and have no connection to the team. Fans don't "trade teams", so emotionally they are more invested. But like I said because we can't really tell. When you play with 24 other guys for 6 months and see them day in and day out and know them personally, know their families, etc there is a major emotional tie to a team as well. But emotional ties aside, they get paid millions to play baseball. They don't have to do to a miserable desk job once the season is over. They will go home, spend time with their families, and work out to get ready for next year. I am talking in circles here, I know.

But they probably have in the past.

I know I know, I'm definitely overreacting to the photos. I just can't get over the fact that the players typically care about the results less than we do. Plus pretty much everything Soriano has done since the regular season ended has pissed me off. I mean why should he care, he makes $18 million a year, cheats on his wife whenever he wants, can pretty much buy whatever he wants, and has the next 4 months off basically (obviously he'll be working out and stuff). Have you honestly not smiled since Saturday? Of course I have. But not to anything Cubs related. Just because Soriano is a Cub doesn't mean he's smiling to anything Cub related. I just think its odd that while coming to Wrigley Field, making his first public appearance since a disastrous postseason (both for himself and the team) he is seen yucking it up like he doesn't have a care in the world. I would guess having millions of dollars to fall back on would do that to you. Again, I'm overreacting, I know, it just strikes me the wrong way. And honestly, if it doesn't make some of the comments he made after the game, I probably don't think twice about the photos. I'm probably taking the photo well out of context though.

I know I know, I'm definitely overreacting to the photos. I just can't get over the fact that the players typically care about the results less than we do. Plus pretty much everything Soriano has done since the regular season ended has pissed me off. I mean why should he care, he makes $18 million a year, cheats on his wife whenever he wants, can pretty much buy whatever he wants, and has the next 4 months off basically (obviously he'll be working out and stuff). Have you honestly not smiled since Saturday? Of course I have. But not to anything Cubs related.

I know I know, I'm definitely overreacting to the photos. I just can't get over the fact that the players typically care about the results less than we do. Plus pretty much everything Soriano has done since the regular season ended has pissed me off. I mean why should he care, he makes $18 million a year, cheats on his wife whenever he wants, can pretty much buy whatever he wants, and has the next 4 months off basically (obviously he'll be working out and stuff).

Probably doesn't deserve its own thread, but its the offseason so its not like there are a ton of threads out there. I'm sure similar things happen all the time, but the fact that its actually being reported by the Trib is interesting.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2008-10/42778436.jpg http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2008-10/42778437.jpg http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2008-10/42778438.jpg I wish I could have that sort of smile. At least act like you are upset Soriano. Oh. Right. Be patient. My bad. We may take baseball too seriously, but then again we don't get paid $18 million a year.

Oh Steve Stone. At least the stuff he says is always interesting, even if you can't believe almost any of it.

Makes me realize that we probably couldn't have counted on Harden enough in the playoffs.

lol, whats that I was thinking National beat writer, local beat writer, and blogger with no known ties to anyone in the know (but had dinner with Len Kasper once)

What are you defining as the 'problems'? 97 wins? Every team has problems

Keep throwing money at our problems! If we weren't so close I'd advise against doing this. I'd like to see an increase in spending towards scouting and player development. The Cubs seem to be 5 years behind the curve. This is what the Red Sox and Yankees were doing at the beginning of the 2000's. Now they are spending a lot of their efforts in player development and they've gotten some solid returns so far. I'm not saying they arent spending money (at least the Red Sox still are), but they don't just throw money at problems anymore.

Strikeouts are overrated. Dunn is a vastly superior player to Soriano. Not the same player outside of the horrendous strike out rate. There's not much difference IMO. Soriano is Dunn of the tools first guys. Dunn is the Soriano of the SABR guys. Both are really flawed players. i do know this much...when fans of other teams watched the reds or the diamondbacks...they cringed when dunn came up to bat... i think that cringe was always a bit nastier than soriano for us dunn in our lineup this year may have really been a huge difference maker for us I don't have the "Cringe Factor" standings in front of me, but I don't know about that. oh jeez, just because i didn't throw out a stat man...sometimes this board is tedious you mean to tell me you would rather pitch to dunn instead of soriano...i would walk dunn to get to soriano personally I'm not ripping you for not using stats, I'm just saying that I'm sure fans of he Reds and Dbacks, having been exposed to the flaws of Dunn, and not exposed to those of Soriano would probably think differently. You have a different perspective on a player once you see him play games for your team. I know fans of the Reds despised him, and even ones that could look beyond his BA and strikeout totals didn't exactly proclaim him a god like people on this board do.

Strikeouts are overrated. Dunn is a vastly superior player to Soriano. Not the same player outside of the horrendous strike out rate. There's not much difference IMO. Soriano is Dunn of the tools first guys. Dunn is the Soriano of the SABR guys. Both are really flawed players. i do know this much...when fans of other teams watched the reds or the diamondbacks...they cringed when dunn came up to bat... i think that cringe was always a bit nastier than soriano for us dunn in our lineup this year may have really been a huge difference maker for us I don't have the "Cringe Factor" standings in front of me, but I don't know about that.