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  1. Wilson A2000
    We have the physical evidence on Bonds, not Aaron. I give people the benefit of the doubt. Same for Pujols. You have no "physical evidence" because nobody was looking and testing, yet you've had people in the game talk about how PED usage goes back decades. Of course. But has anyone accused Aaron and seen him take them? No, so I give him the benefit. We know ARod took them. I'm not keeping anyone out of the HOF with no evidence, steroid era or not. You've had people on the same team as him who admitted to using them: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2005-05-03-steroids-house_x.htm You have him having a bizarre, late career power surge, plus two teammates also having outlier power surge seasons when they played with him: http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/02/hammerin_hank_a.html Basically it wouldn't be a surprise at all to find out he used them. But nobody is going to come out and accuse him of it because even if they were right there there's absolutely no proof. They'd be instantly made a villain and would have no argument but their word. If Aaron said he did it, I would be as consistent as I would with Bonds and Sosa. I'm not letting someone's word alone decide something this big.
  2. Wilson A2000
    We have the physical evidence on Bonds, not Aaron. I give people the benefit of the doubt. Same for Pujols. You have no "physical evidence" because nobody was looking and testing, yet you've had people in the game talk about how PED usage goes back decades. Of course. But has anyone accused Aaron and seen him take them? No, so I give him the benefit. We know ARod took them. I'm not keeping anyone out of the HOF with no evidence, steroid era or not. What about the evidence in the numbers of having a later career power surge? No, gotta be physical evidence. What Aaron did is very rare. What Bonds did was cheating.
  3. Wilson A2000
    Similar Batters to Sosa Jim Thome (862) Mike Schmidt (858) * Reggie Jackson (841) * Ken Griffey (830) Harmon Killebrew (822) * Eddie Mathews (822) * Mickey Mantle (821) * Willie Stargell (820) * Gary Sheffield (814) Willie McCovey (807) * * - Signifies Hall of Famer He's a clear HOFer if clean
  4. Wilson A2000
    Your claim is that taking PEDs made him a "once in a generation player". Statistically he's not a HOF player, and he sure isn't in the HOF as we speak despite being eligible. And without PEDs that argument gets a lot worse, as you mention. So how is it that PEDs made Sosa into a generational talent, when his numbers don't justify it, and when popular perception(HOF) doesn't put him on that plane either? Or is it that being a generational talent isn't subject to the obvious consideration of context that you're using when determining his HOF-worthiness? Nope, because one stat, 600+ homers, is getting him in the HOF if clean. That's all that matters for voters.
  5. Wilson A2000
    We have the physical evidence on Bonds, not Aaron. I give people the benefit of the doubt. Same for Pujols. You have no "physical evidence" because nobody was looking and testing, yet you've had people in the game talk about how PED usage goes back decades. Of course. But has anyone accused Aaron and seen him take them? No, so I give him the benefit. We know ARod took them. I'm not keeping anyone out of the HOF with no evidence, steroid era or not.
  6. Wilson A2000
    We have the physical evidence on Bonds, not Aaron. I give people the benefit of the doubt. Same for Pujols.
  7. Wilson A2000
    You are showing a profound misunderstanding of how comparisons work. Eras change and circumstances change. People took steroids for a while, the mound used to be higher, black and foreign players were not allowed to play for decades. Fortunately we can put those circumstances in context instead of making arbitrary distinctions on what makes a HOF player across all eras, and we're all better for it. I'd suggest joining with that movement. If you get 500 and are clean you are most likely in, era or not. 600 no doubt. Bad argument. YOU YOURSELF ARE EXPRESSING DOUBT AND SOSA IS NOT IN THE HALL OF FAME. Because he was dirty. He doesn't get 500 clean, let alone 600. So to sum up: - Sosa is a once in a generation player because he hit 600 HR, and wouldn't have gotten to 600 HR without PEDs - If you get to 600 HR you are in the HOF no doubt, regardless of whether you played in the PED era or not. - Sosa isn't in the HOF because he did PEDs, and wouldn't have gotten to 600 HR without them. This logic is bad, and you should feel bad. No because I clearly said that the second point is if you play in the PED era and are CLEAN many times
  8. Wilson A2000
    Yes Aaron's numbers were high at the end. But I think that is just rare. Aaron said he took greenies once. Because Bonds was on roids, we don't know if he could have done the same clean. But the jump in home runs is certainly caused by PED's.
  9. Wilson A2000
    I said he was HOF. I just don't know about once in a generation for Bonds.
  10. Wilson A2000
    How can you possibly put a number on this? Statistical averages. You don't leap in your late 20's or early 30's like that. So you mean like if a guy put up a HR total that was one off his career high at age 35 and then set a new career high at age 37? Or had his two best OBP, SLG and OPS seasons at ages 37 and 39 (and best OPS+ at 37)? Or had his best four AB/HR ratios at ages 39, 37, 35 and 38? Because Hank Aaron did all of those things. What were Bonds's HR's per at bat from before 1998 and after? I would like to see that against what Aaron's were from the years before his late life surge to after it.
  11. Wilson A2000
    You are showing a profound misunderstanding of how comparisons work. Eras change and circumstances change. People took steroids for a while, the mound used to be higher, black and foreign players were not allowed to play for decades. Fortunately we can put those circumstances in context instead of making arbitrary distinctions on what makes a HOF player across all eras, and we're all better for it. I'd suggest joining with that movement. If you get 500 and are clean you are most likely in, era or not. 600 no doubt. Bad argument. YOU YOURSELF ARE EXPRESSING DOUBT AND SOSA IS NOT IN THE HALL OF FAME. Because he was dirty. He doesn't get 500 clean, let alone 600.
  12. Wilson A2000
    And Bonds's last 3-5 were his best weren't they? This wasn't just about longevity. He had his best years or at least close to it at the end. This wasn't about extending his career while putting up similar or slightly worse numbers. He had all time years.
  13. Wilson A2000
    You are showing a profound misunderstanding of how comparisons work. Eras change and circumstances change. People took steroids for a while, the mound used to be higher, black and foreign players were not allowed to play for decades. Fortunately we can put those circumstances in context instead of making arbitrary distinctions on what makes a HOF player across all eras, and we're all better for it. I'd suggest joining with that movement. If you get 500 and are clean you are most likely in, era or not. 600 no doubt. Bad argument.
  14. Wilson A2000
    How can you possibly put a number on this? Statistical averages. You don't leap in your late 20's or early 30's like that.
  15. Wilson A2000
    It's so rare that Sosa managed to make it to 5th place among hitters in his era! ONCE IN A GENERATION Roids made multiple once in a generation players obviously
  16. Wilson A2000
    Based on Sosa's numbers, if he was clean there is no way a 600+ home run guy is not getting in Cooperstown relatively low WAR or not. Sosa got 200 homers due to PED's and he's wasn't going to have HOF numbers without them.
  17. Wilson A2000
    He helped start the 80's-mid 2000 steroid era in Oakland. We'll never know how many home runs he would have hit. He was dirty early on. He was a home run-hitting beast from high school on: http://www.mcgwire.com/stats.html A lot of people were So your theory is that Mark McGwire was on PEDs most of his life and only hit home runs because of them. We know McGwire took them early in his career. I think only hit the high number he did because of them. You know, like everyone else who hit that many.
  18. Wilson A2000
    He helped start the 80's-mid 2000 steroid era in Oakland. We'll never know how many home runs he would have hit. He was dirty early on. He was a home run-hitting beast from high school on: http://www.mcgwire.com/stats.html A lot of people were and didn't pan out. We'll never know about McGwire because he didn't let us.
  19. Wilson A2000
    He helped start the 80's-mid 2000 steroid era in Oakland. We'll never know how many home runs he would have hit. He was dirty early on. He was a home run-hitting beast from high school on: http://www.mcgwire.com/stats.html A lot of people were
  20. Wilson A2000
    Anyone who hits 600+ home runs is once in a generation
  21. Wilson A2000
    Sosa just barely beats out Mike Piazza for 10th in most WAR accrued during the years of Sosa's career, even when excluding his disastrous 2005 & 2007. He hit a bunch of home runs and became very popular. Don't confuse that with actually being a consistently great baseball player. Where does his WAR line up with Piazza's when Sosa was on roids? Point is Sosa only has HOF stats due to roids. He became once in a generation directly due to them.
  22. Wilson A2000
    The type of performance enhancing benefits greenies gave and BALCO gave are world's apart
  23. Wilson A2000
    Hank Aaron used [expletive] PEDs. Regularly. Were they legal? Could anyone legally use them?
  24. Wilson A2000
    He helped start the 80's-mid 2000 steroid era in Oakland. We'll never know how many home runs he would have hit. He was dirty early on. What kind of player was Sosa before roids? Occasional All Star? Now he has all time great stats, far above HOF stats and once in a generation player. But yeah they don't do much. I mean he has to swing the bat right?
  25. Wilson A2000
    Hank Aaron thinks PED abusers damaged the game. And so do the baseball writers. The veteran's committee will agree too. Most everyone but baseball forum posters think this.
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