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I guess I'm in the minority then. I think Kyle Drabek, Matt Moore, Chris Sale, John Lamb, Mike Montgomery, Chris Archer, and Zach Britton are more deserving than Miller personally. I understand how BA values potential though. Hell, I would put McNutt above Miller. I understand he doesn't have the pedigree that Miller does, but at what point do results overshadow the name?

My favorite part was the overrated chant. :lol:

He's a 1st round pick with great stuff, and last year he put up a 12.1/2.8 K/BB in full season ball at age 19. He's well deserving of the hype thus far. 13th best prospect in baseball? I guess I just disagree. Also, the 2.8 BB/9 isn't that impressive to me when paired with the fact that he gave up 8.6 H/9. He just threw the ball over the plate when he had to. If that happens at higher levels, I think his HR/9 will get quit the bump too.

Anyone else confused about the hype around Shelby Miller? I understand he's young, but he hasn't even hit A+ ball yet and while his numbers are good at A, I wouldn't say they're great.

Gary Harris and Jeremy Hollowell were there too. Purdue also invited Kendall Stephens, Basil Smotherman, Bryson Scott, Raphael Davis, and Jay Simpson to get a preview of what they'll be seeing as Boilermakers.

They've been blown out by three un-ranked teams in their last 10. They're 19th in the Pomeroy rankings. They shouldn't be a 2 or a 3. St. John's has beaten four top 10 teams this year at home and ND was without its 2nd best player in that game as well as the Marquette game you reference. I think that's a valid data point especially since every Purdue fan I know has pissed and moaned all year about Hummel being injured. So, you justify your bitching by referencing how pissy and moany Purdue fan bitching is?

I never said that, but I think comments like this show that certain posters here are.

I guess they just have a "how to be a douchebag at college basketball games" course at Purdue, amiright? I mean, let's forget for a second that it's different students every single year. They ALWAYS boo bad calls! Yeah, because student turnover means a fresh slate every few years, huh? It's good college students don't emulate what others do, and pass behavior on. Courses like that Cameron Crazies refresher course at Duke must have a huge enrollment every year to keep tradition going, since that student turnover kills it all the time. Anyway, I was just making an observation. And it wasn't the bad calls, it was all the calls, or damn near. It's one thing for students to pick up traditions, chants, etc. It's quite another for them to all believe non-fouls are fouls (or vise versa). Did you guys ever stop to think that maybe the select few people that say Purdue reacts to foul calls more than other schools are just... wrong? To me, that seems a bit more feasible. I count like 4 people on here that have a clear bias against Purdue that say that. Never heard it before here.

I guess they just have a "how to be a douchebag at college basketball games" course at Purdue, amiright? I mean, let's forget for a second that it's different students every single year. They ALWAYS boo bad calls!

Lean body mass is the left over after the body fat percentage. It would be disingenuous to say muscle mass. For example, if somebody had 10% body fat percentage, the other 90% isn't all muscle. It's muscle, bone, sinew, cartilage, organs, etc. Believe it or not, part of the weight gain is actually due to an increase in bone mass. Weight bearing exercise has proven to increase bone density. However, I don't think the other components of lean body mass increased in weight. The majority of Splendid Splinter's weight gain here was due to increase in muscle mass.

Just wanted to know what kind of people you're talking about here. I personally have a degree in both dietetics and nutrition/fitness/health. While I'm no expert in muscle hypertrophy and have not really studied it much, based on what I've studied I feel that some people have the ability to add muscle at a rate such as 20lbs over 3-5 month period, as long as they train and eat properly. I would love to read research on it though. Personal fitness, even in extremes, have always been very interesting to me. Also, you may want to check the math on Splendid Splinter's testimonial. He started at: 200lb*.13 body fat= 26lb body fat; 200lb-26lb body fat= 174 lean body mass He ended at: 217lb*.10 body fat= 21.7lb body fat; 217lb-21.7lb body fat= 195 lean body mass 195lb - 174lb = 21lb lean body mass He actually did gain 21lb lean body mass in 5 or 6 months. Granted, he may have had an extra month on LeMahieu to gain that weight if it was 6 months. Regardless, I don't think it's anectdotal evidence that agrees with what you believe.

As I said, maybe my feeling is wrong. I guess it's the residual paranoia of the steroid era. Calm down.

Let's examine candidates from all schools before declaring a victor. I submit to you, the representative from the University of Iowa, Jacob Jaacks. Aaron Craft is shaping up to be a headliner on that list. I'm sure I will curse his name in the same fashion that Illini fans cursed Kramer's.

Interestingly enough, a lot of the stories you hear about so-and-so gaining 20 lbs in 2 months often are true. It's just a shame that a large majority of that weight is a result of water retention.

That makes a lot of sense. I think it's probably a combination of a lot of things. I just feel like some are jumping to the performance enhancing drug conclusion. Maybe my feeling is wrong. I don't think it's completely silly to think these guys may be taking something. It's a consequence of the years of rampant performance enhancing substances in MLB. I just tend to believe that it's a lot harder to get away with it now than some people may think.

it's not. It is. I guess I'm just wondering what everyone thinks is going on here? 11 lbs of muscle and 8 lbs of fat? Rampant steroid use? HGH? If they're not gaining 19 lbs of muscle (which I actually do think that only part of that gain is lean body mass), what is the theory for the weight gain?

I get that he posted in response to my picture, I guess I just expected it to be more than "look, he looks funny here". I was expecting soemthing more like this: Or something showing him mugging a guy like this:

I'm guessing you know nothing about this and threw this out there? You'd be amazed what an athlete in his prime can do when their job is to eat correctly and work out and actually do it every single day for an extended period of time. Football players transitioning from high school ball to college ball do this all the time. If you're implying that they are taking something to add the muscle, I'd be curious to know what you believe it to be. They are actively screening for steroid use at this point (obviously) and despite the fact that everyone loves to point the finger at HGH, multiple studies have shown that HGH negligible benefits to athletes. It would be harder for an athlete in their prime to gain 20 pounds of muscle- harder than pretty much anyone else in the world. If they've peaked already than yes. My guess is 6'4 DJ LeMahieu never really pushed himself too much on gaining weight if he was only ever 180 lbs. My point was more of the fact that a 23 year old male can take on a brutal weight lifting regimen and potentially gain 19 lbs of muscle over the course of 4 or 5 months. At least more capably than a 48 year old female. Yes, he'd typically be more capable of adding muscle than an older female, but he still wouldn't be able to add 19 pounds of muscle in 4-5 months. A guy could probably add that much in a year, provided they'd never lifted weights before, or only did so poorly. To clarify my position, please remember I'm talking about muscle gain. People can certainly gain body weight at a much faster clip than they gain muscle weight. 20 pounds of muscle in three months is pretty much impossible without the benefit of puberty, or maybe steroids. I think Soul provided insight on to the weight being reported. I still contend that it is possible to put on 20 lbs of solid muscle in a 5 month period of time if you're hell bent on doing it, even if that's not exactly the case here. I read a lot of studies in college about increased weight gain, but that was mostly in older populations. Admittedly, I've never read any research on extreme muscle gain like this. Just based on the results I've seen in other studies though, I certainly think it's a legitimate possibility.

Really? The only thing that I come close to getting is that Kramer is licking his lips and looking off into the distance as Painter has his mouth wide open in a felatio-like fashion and is holding his hand in an open fist as if holding a penis. Only problem is it's very obvious that Kramer isn't looking at the invisible penis and that the invisible penis is not on trajectory for Painters mouth, so it's all quite a bit of a stretch. Is that what you were going for? I think you're reading WAY too much into it. I actually wasn't reading into it at all. I had no idea (still don't obviously) why he posted the picture. I tried to think in a juvenile manner and took my best stab. Can you explain it to me?

As I said, you'll have to explain that one to me.

Really? The only thing that I come close to getting is that Kramer is licking his lips and looking off into the distance as Painter has his mouth wide open in a felatio-like fashion and is holding his hand in an open fist as if holding a penis. Only problem is it's very obvious that Kramer isn't looking at the invisible penis and that the invisible penis is not on trajectory for Painters mouth, so it's all quite a bit of a stretch. Is that what you were going for?

I'm guessing you know nothing about this and threw this out there? You'd be amazed what an athlete in his prime can do when their job is to eat correctly and work out and actually do it every single day for an extended period of time. Football players transitioning from high school ball to college ball do this all the time. If you're implying that they are taking something to add the muscle, I'd be curious to know what you believe it to be. They are actively screening for steroid use at this point (obviously) and despite the fact that everyone loves to point the finger at HGH, multiple studies have shown that HGH negligible benefits to athletes. It would be harder for an athlete in their prime to gain 20 pounds of muscle- harder than pretty much anyone else in the world. If they've peaked already than yes. My guess is 6'4 DJ LeMahieu never really pushed himself too much on gaining weight if he was only ever 180 lbs. My point was more of the fact that a 23 year old male can take on a brutal weight lifting regimen and potentially gain 19 lbs of muscle over the course of 4 or 5 months. At least more capably than a 48 year old female.

You'll have to explain that one to me.

I'm guessing you know nothing about this and threw this out there? You'd be amazed what an athlete in his prime can do when their job is to eat correctly and work out and actually do it every single day for an extended period of time. Football players transitioning from high school ball to college ball do this all the time. If you're implying that they are taking something to add the muscle, I'd be curious to know what you believe it to be. They are actively screening for steroid use at this point (obviously) and despite the fact that everyone loves to point the finger at HGH, multiple studies have shown that HGH negligible benefits to athletes.

I wish Harris would have actually landed that elbow on him. He did, but it wasn't nearly enough to knock him back 17 feet. Kramer sure as hell sold that one. At least he's gone. Now he can go back to the cave he crawled out of and continue beating women with his club. Yeah, but he'll always be in our memories. http://i.ytimg.com/vi/M8t922UwzpA/0.jpg