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He's been a terrible starting quarterback. He'd be fine as a backup. He can provide a spark in a game if your starter goes down, and maybe play good for a start or two. Given enough time and a new surrounding I even think Mitch has an inexplicable "2017 Case Keenum" in him. It will just be in like 4 years and he'll be on the Vikings and come to Chicago and clobber them. Probably in a crucial win or go home playoff game. I mean, I don't think its out of the realm of possibilities for him to have an Alex Smith like second half to his career and be a starter for some time to come, albeit not with this front office and coaching staff

if we draft a QB, Trubisky would also likely still be the starter at the point of resigning. Like I said, different situations, but just because this situation hasn't happened exactly the same way before doesn't mean it couldn't work out The thing with Trubisky is he hasn't been a complete failure like many 1st round busts. More importantly, he's on a team that doesn't have a Ryan Tannehill (or Kurt Warner in Leinart's case) type that flat out took his job or the ability to sign a Tom Brady in the offseason or the ability to draft a top of the draft phenom like the Jets do right now. which is probably why if I was Bears GM, I'd rather try to go with him on a prove-it deal and draft what I can at QB knowing I have a shot at some talent this year in the draft. That way, I'm hedging my bet on either QB succeeding with two choices who aren't over 30 years old. If you keep Foles, the guy you draft HAS to work out.

Kordell Stewart, Matt Leinhart. very different situations, however Stewart was a second rounder. And was still the starter when he resigned for a new deal. Leinart did not resign with AZ for a second deal. if we draft a QB, Trubisky would also likely still be the starter at the point of resigning. Like I said, different situations, but just because this situation hasn't happened exactly the same way before doesn't mean it couldn't work out

Kordell Stewart, Matt Leinhart. very different situations, however

how do you generate that on PF? I'm having trouble pulling up Foles and Cutlers numbers for my own curiosity. eta: nvm, I found the chart in there bios. unsurprisingly, Foles and Trubisky are pretty close career-wise, Cutler ahead of both. Interestingly however, despite the benching, Trubisky has outplayed Foles this year by a decent margin in RATE+, 95 to 86 respectively. 100 being average QB play One of the surprising rate statistics for me was Miller's strong sack%. It's one of those things thats less O-Line dependent than you think, and ANY/A takes Sacks into account whereas passer rating doesn't, which is IMO it's biggest improvement over it. And Mitch, despite his legs, has crappy pocket awareness which passer eating doesnt dock him for. So even not adjusting for era, Mitch is still behind Kramer and Cutler in ANY/A and just barely ahead of McMahon. that's not surprising. Its clear Trubisky cant read defenses, and that alone could account for him spending too much time staring down the field and not paying attention to the pocket he's in and/or making sound decisions with where to throw the ball. you have to wonder if better coaching could have helped him with that, or maybe not

what is "passer inflation" and how do you calculate it? I don't disagree that the league is far more QB friendly today then in the past, but I want to see those numbers on the Jim Miller claim The league wide improvement in passing efficiency. Pro-football has era-adjusted rating numbers. I'd probably chose ANY/A+, but they have several others too. Miller is a weird comp since he really just started one season, but he was a decent Bears-centric one. Not stylistically similar obviously. But the whole win 12-13 games and then lose to Philly ended up being poetic to the comparison too. Miller http://pfref.com/pi/share/ADNc2 Trubisky http://pfref.com/pi/share/0w4aI how do you generate that on PF? I'm having trouble pulling up Foles and Cutlers numbers for my own curiosity. eta: nvm, I found the chart in there bios. unsurprisingly, Foles and Trubisky are pretty close career-wise, Cutler ahead of both. Interestingly however, despite the benching, Trubisky has outplayed Foles this year by a decent margin in RATE+, 95 to 86 respectively. 100 being average QB play

also, horsefeathers Nick Foles. He's old and sucks and was only brought here because of Nagy. If Nagy is gone, which it certainly looks like he will be, Foles serves no purpose that cant be filled with better talent

what is "passer inflation" and how do you calculate it? I don't disagree that the league is far more QB friendly today then in the past, but I want to see those numbers on the Jim Miller claim

Stop with the hot takes. This is Bears football. We run dive plays straight up the gut, bubble screens, and count on the Defense to score just like Papa Bear Halas intended. ...bu bu bu Papa Bear invented the pass

Trask goes to Florida so that's probably his second car. so your suggesting Pace could be fooled 3 times with one draft pick? 1) fooled into trading up when he doesn't need to 2) fooled by picking the wrong qb 3) fooled into thinking that foreign made family sedan is his only car? I dont disagree sir

If interested in the breakdown of all 12 TOs: https://theathletic.com/2247984/2020/12/08/bears-offensive-confusion-timeouts/?source=user_shared_article The leading image in that article: are Nagy's hands massive or what? Jebus

out of curiosity, how much do the Rams blitz?

"I like Kyle. I had great conviction to draft Kyle. Kyle drives a remarkable car, a 2004 Honda Accord"

man, you're all going to look foolish when Pace trades up to #5 and drafts Kyle Trask

Raw is absolutely right. You can and should trade up for a game-changing QB, just have to get the pick right. No one is saying Kansas City (10th overall for 27 overall, a 3rd rounder and a 1st rounder the next year) or Houston (12 for 27 and a first rounder the next year) traded too much for Mahomes and Watson. Obviously they should avoid trading a first rounder but they shouldn't have to at their current trajectory. They can and should backfill draft picks in other ways, yes (trade veterans, compensation picks, trade downs in non-QB scenarios). Also, if you don't have conviction on the QBs available, don't force one and work on filling the many other holes on the team. The Bears will probably get another chance at the top QBs in 2022. Good post except the word conviction is hereby banned post-Pace era. That is a dirty word now lol. exactly I'm not convinced Pence wont be around on draft day

thats just blind doom-bonnerin' the secondary has talent the DL has talent (could use more) Smith is a stud when healthy, the interior OL is solid (Daniels and Whitehair are good) Who knows about Miller. This should have been his break out year, with last year being pretty good. TE could be buttoned down for years with Kmet. there are holes, and they are thin at most positions, but the team isnt a barren wasteland

how many of those teams have offensive lines that are built with talent better then 7th rd picks? my point is this (and why I hate trading up for a QB): you an either draft a once in a lifetime QB (good luck) or you can surround a QB with talent with even better or equal talent. I just don't think the Bears can afford to trade up. The Bears OL to start the season was a 1st rounder, 2 2nd rounders, a 4th rounder, and a 7th. Granted that 1st rounder was a failed pick playing a new position, but they paid both their tackles good money, paid their C, and used a 2nd round pick on a guard. Also, what you say isn't really true. SF doesn't have receiver weapons (outside of Kittle, who was a 5th round pick), they had a UDFA RB leading them to the SB. Ravens probably have the worst WR group in the league. Arizona's weapons were pretty bad until they traded for Drake and Hopkins and they still were the 16th offense. OL isn't great either. Goff doesn't have amazing weapons or OL. Titans lost their best 2 OL (both tackles) to injury early on and free agency before the season. Only the Saints and Browns really fit into a team surrounding their QB with great talent. What these teams have is a great scheme that plays to their strengths. I'm not even completely unconvinced a good enough coach couldn't scheme to Trubisky and Foles' strengths. It looked like Nagy was doing that with Trubisky and a coach actually won a SB with Foles. And they can afford to trade up for a QB. What they can't afford to do is pick the wrong QB. THE TEAM LACKS DEPTH, AND THEY LACK DEPTH BECAUSE THEY'VE TRADED AWAY PICKS. THEY CANT AFFORD TO KEEP DOING THAT sry capslock eta: look at it this way, they don't have a #2 WR, no #2 RB, no #1 TE (there's hope for Kmet), and all of their OLine backups are 7th rd or UFA's. You know what helps a team fill out those backups at reasonable prices? draft picks. Sure, this off season could be different with the CAP being low, but you're just likely to get older players who will command more salary anyway

Mayfield has 1st round talent all around him, as does Hill. Smith was a #1 pick Yeah, I get that. But there's also Garoppolo, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray run good offenses without great throwing ability, Jared Goff (another #1 pick that hasn't lived up to billing), Bridgewater, Tannehill, etc. Even guys like Brees, Brady and Rivers aren't great anymore. Like 3 of these teams have more talent around them, but most of these guys are borderline average QBs who are leading offenses that run circles around the Bears. also lol @ Jones

Mayfield has 1st round talent all around him, as does Hill. Smith was a #1 pick Yeah, I get that. But there's also Garoppolo, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray run good offenses without great throwing ability, Jared Goff (another #1 pick that hasn't lived up to billing), Bridgewater, Tannehill, etc. Even guys like Brees, Brady and Rivers aren't great anymore. Like 3 of these teams have more talent around them, but most of these guys are borderline average QBs who are leading offenses that run circles around the Bears. how many of those teams have offensive lines that are built with talent better then 7th rd picks? my point is this (and why I hate trading up for a QB): you an either draft a once in a lifetime QB (good luck) or you can surround a QB with talent with even better or equal talent. I just don't think the Bears can afford to trade up.

Mayfield has 1st round talent all around him, as does Hill. Smith was a #1 pick

If you aren't in the top 10, I think you have to look away from QB in the first round. But Pence being Pence will trade up to draft the BYU guy (my #4) ahead of Lance #doomboner

They inexplicably started 5-1. I was pointing this out earlier in this thread (I think), there are a ton of bad teams this year. Granted, there are more games to settle things out, chances are the Bears do better then most

I-who?

A change in ownership is not a thing the public can lobby got or something we can expect. There are plenty of more hands on owners with as bad or worse results. Calling for an ownership change is pointless and unnecessary. There is no reason why these people can’t hire better football people on their own. They’ve done better and they’ve done worse. They can do better. There is some reason they haven't done well and of course, they can do better. Are they capable of doing better? yes, they can. Angelo was good, Emry was a dumb hire, Pace was a good hire at the time. He was the up and coming GM protege